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Buddhist Ethics

Copy of an e-mail I wrote to my environmental philosophy professor detailing what seems to be the kernel of Buddhist ethics:
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You may be interested to know that in Buddhist thought, duhka, or suffering, is caused by trishna, or thirst or desire; to Buddhists, the emotion of trishna invokes the idea that if one were merely to sate one's immediate desires in an immediate fashion, one would be happy; however, because in acting on trishna one (as in Marcovaldo) always runs into consequences one does not expect (after all, it's impossible to account for all possible outcomes and still be able to choose the right one, because there can seem to be many right outcomes if all are accounted for; in fact, one could say that this is not dissimilar to the Uncertainty Principle, wherein one cannot know a particle's direction and velocity at the exact same time, because the very act of detection changes the particle's very nature). Since acting on trishna almost invariably results in an outcome dissimilar to one's preconceived notions of what the outcome ought to be, and this cognitave dissonance between one's ideal world and the real world is a form of duhka, the new state of affairs causes an entirely new set of trishnas as one strives to bring the real world in balance with one's ideal world--as one continues to act on these trishnas, the ideal-real imbalance must necessarily grow (feedback cycle 1), resulting in the accretion of the dissonance of duhka (feedback cycle 2), resulting in greater mental strain and further accretion of duhka--suffering in the form of worries and woes--(feedback cycle 3) in this fashion; that is to say, to Buddhists, the normative human condition is the result of the agglomeration of these (and other) feedback loops, leading to imbalance between what the real is and human perceptions of what the real ought to be: in sum, cumulative feedback cycles cause inherent physical-mental imbalance, and this imbalance is source of human woe. An interesting argument, and it ties in well with the processes of nature you have been describing in class.

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It seems to me, thinking sensibly about this, that in terms of the source of their ethical values, Buddhists are actually more in tune with nature than other traditions. Does this mean that Buddhists are more right than other traditions? What do you think?
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

This dependant on which religious tradition you have in regard to "nature". If you have a traditionally judeo-christian outlook where man was put on earth to subjugate nature, to till and plant, to toil in the soil, so to speak the buddhist POV isn't the very best thing one could think of. If you have a more gaiacentric view of things it is more ethical because because it is symbiotic with nature.

In the Monotheistic traditions, normally God is in direct control over nature/fate/and will. In a more gaiacentric cause and effect system where it is not a being but a system that is creating the hardships it would make sense that the buddhist version is more ethical.

In western cultures people do not often pay credence to the cycle of rebirths in a linear system people tend to prefer that their will is more important than do people who live according to a rebirth cycle. It is much easier to dehumanize the system if one has many chances to work things out.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

My professor liked it enough that he decided to read it in class! Since his view is that nature is a series of cyclical interconnected feedback loops and continual human interference in this system will inevitably result in its collapse (and since human existence is predicated by the smooth operation of these cycles, as a corollary, upon its collapse, humanity too will collapse), he was quite taken with it.

My view is that being the lord of nature doesn't mean subjugating it, but rather shepherding it. The idea that lording=subjugating is AFAIK actually a minority view even among Christians, primarily concentrated in the fundamental and apocalypicist subsets.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

It was well written and I can see why you prof liked it, you were asking for opinions so I gave one.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

You've basically explained the first two of the Four Noble Truths: dukkha, the nature of suffering, and trishna, the origin of suffering. The other two being that there is a way out of samsara, a way out of the cycle of suffering, and the fourth that the way out of samsara is by way of the Eightfold Path.

Buddhist ethics seems more concerned with the fourth Noble Truth, the Eightfold Path. The first three Truths being something closer to an explanation on the nature of sentient life; if the first three are true, then the fourth explains how we should act.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

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My view is that being the lord of nature doesn't mean subjugating it, but rather shepherding it. The idea that lording=subjugating is AFAIK actually a minority view even among Christians, primarily concentrated in the fundamental and apocalypicist subsets.
I would disagree with this point. In the judeo-christian faith God gave man dominion over the animals. Looking at judeo-christian cultures, they have used animals as labor, food and a source of materials (i.e. leather, etc.) In some eastern faiths, animals are viewed as sacred and are not used for those purposes.

Quite clearly, the religious culture you come from will determine how you define the concept of nature. As seen above, some cultures will view it as a resource to be exploited while others will not.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

The expansion of the teaching of 'trisna' means in practise that we are generally acting out of clinging or craving (greed), or out of dislike and rejection (fear), or 'not-seeing-things-as-they-are' (delusion). (These 'afflictions' are usually symbolised in Tibetan painting by the pig, the snake and the rooster.) And due to our conditioning, we are not aware of this and think it is normal. But this 'normality' is actually a stressful state - hence, 'dukkha', suffering.

Even though you can project this onto the world stage - for example, recent economic events certainly seem the result of greed and delusion writ large - in fact where it is most useful is understanding the moments of your own existence, from one minute to the next. This is where 'the rubber hits the road' so to speak.

There are many ways that one can imagine 'dharma' to be, or many ramifications that one might think it has, but really learning to see it on that level is fundamental. One might have a theory about craving, but meanwhile, this 'craving' (and all the related afflictions) are driving one's thinking about it.

And I think it is quite correct to say that if one were aware in this manner then certainly 'awareness of nature' is certainly much deeper, no question.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

Pagans had more respect and actually worshiped nature in one form or another and by so doing placed nature above men.Women by this example became prized examples of natures bounty.We are a product of nature and if we ignore its value, we devalue ourselves.Sacrifice was in some way acknowledging natures dominance over them.I have always felt through the history of Hinduism, being an ancient pagan faith, it shaped many Buddhist teachings.
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Re: Buddhist Ethics

I have one question. In Buddhism there has always been a point obscure for me. You are speaking about ethics, avoiding suffering etc. but amongst Buddha's characteristics of being there was... absence of self, that is of one who suffer. If there is no one to suffer, what for is the teaching? Eudaimon.
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If there is no one to suffer, what for is the teaching?
Aha! You should familiarise yourself with the Diamond Sutra which addresses exactly this question.
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