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Old 11-04-2009, 11:55 PM
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If God created us...

Why would he plague us with the ability to think outsides the confines of the religion's teaching? Why would he infect humans with the anti-religious idea of free will? Why would god give humans the ability to disagree with his religion? Why would god create humans so that they may create conflicting or different religious beliefs other than Christianity? Why would god ever want to condemn his own children or to add, give us the ability to do such that he would condemn us for? Why would god create humans with the reason to prove religion irrational in many areas? Why would go ever make humans susceptible to the dangers of having a train of thought other than a strictly religious one?

Those who are believers... answers please.
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Re: If God created us...

There is no true creativity without risk.
In a meaningful world, a world in which true novelty and creativity are possible, risk is real.
The notion of God as a divine tyrant is not worthy of worship.
I might point out that mechanistic determinism as a worldview deprives man of his freedom and the world of true meaning every bit as much as the notion of divine predestination does.
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Re: If God created us...

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I might point out that mechanistic determinism as a worldview deprives man of his freedom and the world of true meaning every bit as much as the notion of divine predestination does.
Sounds like something you're suggesting, rather than something you're pointing out.
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Those who are believers... answers please.
You need to get the "Teacher's Edition" of the book. The answers are in the back.

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Why would he plague us with the ability to think outsides the confines of the religion's teaching?
Because if he did not, we would not be human. There is no one right religion. Every faith tradition I've looked at has wisdom, offers a path to God, even if they use some other name.

It's something like this: we all dance, but some dance to jazz, some to country, some to rock'n'roll. Dancing is God, the genre is the religion. Make any sense?

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Why would he infect humans with the anti-religious idea of free will?
I don't see free will as an anti-religious idea.

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Why would god give humans the ability to disagree with his religion?
God doesn't have religion, man has religion.

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Why would god create humans so that they may create conflicting or different religious beliefs other than Christianity?
Religious beliefs only conflict when people have misunderstood the teachings. And this is true even when one religion says X and another says not-X.

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Why would god ever want to condemn his own children or to add, give us the ability to do such that he would condemn us for?
He doesn't want to condemn us. When you stop and consider that He has given us a chance at human life, here on Earth, with every opportunity for enlightenment, I think He's given us quite a gift.

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Why would god create humans with the reason to prove religion irrational in many areas?
Let's be careful. Religion is diverse. Some religion has been shown to be absurd and silly.

Man needs reason so that he can make his way in this world. Again, man has religion, not God. Religion is our invention. Reason allows us the ability to make religion, and improve religion, and alter religion as needed.

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Why would go ever make humans susceptible to the dangers of having a train of thought other than a strictly religious one?
Because it takes a lot of practice before hunting for food is a strictly religious train of thought. It takes a lot of practice to function effectively in the world with purely religious thoughts. And practice takes time.
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Why would he plague us with the ability to think outsides the confines of the religion's teaching? Why would he infect humans with the anti-religious idea of free will? Why would god give humans the ability to disagree with his religion? Why would god create humans so that they may create conflicting or different religious beliefs other than Christianity? Why would god ever want to condemn his own children or to add, give us the ability to do such that he would condemn us for? Why would god create humans with the reason to prove religion irrational in many areas? Why would go ever make humans susceptible to the dangers of having a train of thought other than a strictly religious one?

Those who are believers... answers please.
I am a theist. More particularly I am a panentheistic sort of Chrisitan but I do not believe in the God you describe. I would say your conception of the divine and of how the divine acts is fundamentally flawed (pun intended). You may think you describe the God that all theists believe in; but in reality only a small minority would see God the way you describe and then not the most thoughtful or informed.
You are jousting at windmills, setting fire to strawmen, trying to destroy a concept of the divine that not only is already dead but never lived.
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I am a theist. More particularly I am a panentheistic sort of Chrisitan but I do not believe in the God you describe. I would say your conception of the divine and of how the divine acts is fundamentally flawed (pun intended). You may think you describe the God that all theists believe in; but in reality only a small minority would see God the way you describe and then not the most thoughtful or informed.
You are jousting at windmills, setting fire to strawmen, trying to destroy a concept of the divine that not only is already dead but never lived.
Most avoid describing their god in to much detail because the answers in the detail. His not destroying any concept, his asking for confirmation or denial.
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Most avoid describing their god in to much detail because the answers in the detail. His not destroying any concept, his asking for confirmation or denial.
Some would say "the devil is in the details". The questions imply a particular concept of the divine to which the response is
"Why would"? guestions Neti, Neti "not this, not that". answers

For my personal conception of the divine; basically my conception is that of the god of "process theology" or the conception of the divine of A.N. Whitehead and Charles Hartshorne. A forum is not the place for long detailed presentations of complex notions of divine reality and divine action.
Fundamentally in process the divine works through nature and natural process not through supernatural intervention. Fundamental reality consists of process of events, moments of experience "becoming" not being.
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Why would he plague us with the ability to think outsides the confines of the religion's teaching?
Your premise is not that God created religion -- only that he created us. If God created humans to be imperfect and have finite knowledge, then it stands to reason that religions (which are human social constructs) would be imperfect and open to rejection,
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Some would say "the devil is in the details". The questions imply a particular concept of the divine to which the response is
"Why would"? guestions Neti, Neti "not this, not that". answers

For my personal conception of the divine; basically my conception is that of the god of "process theology" or the conception of the divine of A.N. Whitehead and Charles Hartshorne. A forum is not the place for long detailed presentations of complex notions of divine reality and divine action.
Fundamentally in process the divine works through nature and natural process not through supernatural intervention. Fundamental reality consists of process of events, moments of experience "becoming" not being.
You either dont know or not prepared to explain. Just tell me if he is consciously aware of his creation?
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