Justice or revenge

[awoelt]

A man loses his wife to a thug who tried to steal her purse. he then devotes his wife to having this man found and executed. Does he do this for justice. Or maybe revenge. I mean no disrespect to families who have been through a situation like this. I know nothing of the subject. it is just a thought that has been bugging me.


<-I SAW UR MOM NAKED.

[IntoTheLight]

Originally Posted by awoelt

A man loses his wife to a thug who tried to steal her purse. he then devotes his life to having this man found and executed. Does he do this for justice. Or maybe revenge. I mean no disrespect to families who have been through a situation like this. I know nothing of the subject. it is just a thought that has been bugging me.

If he devotes his life to finding the man with the intent that the man should be executed, then it's probably a desire for revenge.

Wanting to find the man and see him tried in court would be justice. Wanting to see him killed would revenge, I think.

-ITL-

[xris]

Originally Posted by awoelt

A man loses his wife to a thug who tried to steal her purse. he then devotes his wife to having this man found and executed. Does he do this for justice. Or maybe revenge. I mean no disrespect to families who have been through a situation like this. I know nothing of the subject. it is just a thought that has been bugging me.


<-I SAW UR MOM NAKED.

Justice, is just revenge and helps serve as a deterent. If the courts judged this man and gave him three days community service, would that be justice? We seek revenge through our court system if we act outside of that system we are in peril of being judged by that system...

[Reconstructo]

Defining "justice" is the project of a life time.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by IntoTheLight

If he devotes his life to finding the man with the intent that the man should be executed, then it's probably a desire for revenge.

Wanting to find the man and see him tried in court would be justice. Wanting to see him killed would revenge, I think.

-ITL-

Wanting to find the man, and lay the details of his life on a scale against the details of the life of the one killed and seeking justice in the balance would be fair...We say a life for a life, but that is wrong...What Western society demands is peace, so that when the peace is broken we, society feels it has been injured...So we do not seek justice, but order...It is possible the mugger never knew justice, and never had it poined out to him so he could become acquainted with it...Maybe the wife never gave justice once in her life, and deserved death more than her killer... We do not want justice, or we would make an issue of it every day of our lives...As Socrates was supposed to have said when asked when there would be justice in Athens: There will be Justice in Athens when those not injured by injustice are as indignant as those who are... ...We should all be indignant over injustice, and never accept the substitution of peace for Justice...

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Originally Posted by Reconstructo

Defining "justice" is the project of a life time.

So is defining life...No one else's definition means anything more than our own...

[xris]

It appears a personal reason not something society demands, we need order but we could obtain order without justice. We need justice to be seen, to be done. We need it to be just. Order is the benefit of justice, Hitler maintained order but he did not administer justice.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by xris

It appears a personal reason not something society demands, we need order but we could obtain order without justice. We need justice to be seen, to be done. We need it to be just. Order is the benefit of justice, Hitler maintained order but he did not administer justice.

Peace should grow out of justice, and when peace is enforced without justice the wind is sowed...

[xris]

Originally Posted by Fido

Peace should grow out of justice, and when peace is enforced without justice the wind is sowed...

Wishful thinking comes to mind. You can have peace without justice, fear can create a peaceful community.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by xris

Wishful thinking comes to mind. You can have peace without justice, fear can create a peaceful community.

It is the Catholic Church that demanded peace before justice, and you can have peace within society with that attitude; but a people denied justice at home are all too ready to look for it abroad, and to take justice from others...War is the fashion in which native injustice becomes international injustice...So, we accept less violence and endure more war... Wasn't it better before the church got a hold of it, where each man was his own cop, and feuds took the dull and left the sharp??? Peace without justice is not a goal, but a trap...The whole social contract is a fraud... We give up our power and right to immediate justice for the promise of justice fairly administered by the whole people...The courts act in the name of the whole people, but they have not consulted with the people for hundreds of years...

[xris]

If its not just, its not justice. You are giving examples of injustice thats not what we are debatting.