violence and its consequence

[salima]

xris, why didnt you just call the police on that guy?

i am probably the most non-violent person in the world, but in order to prevent violence from being done i might be provoked enough. but first there are usually other options-in other words there may be other ways to stop what is going to happen or is in the process of happening without actually having to resort to violence.

but of all things, committing an act of violence after the fact? to what end? and by what authority? (you may have guessed i am also against capital punishment)

[xris]

Originally Posted by salima

xris, why didnt you just call the police on that guy?

i am probably the most non-violent person in the world, but in order to prevent violence from being done i might be provoked enough. but first there are usually other options-in other words there may be other ways to stop what is going to happen or is in the process of happening without actually having to resort to violence.

but of all things, committing an act of violence after the fact? to what end? and by what authority? (you may have guessed i am also against capital punishment)

She would have been intimidated by him and i have said i did not think rationally.So you think i was wrong?I wont argue with you but it was my choice at the time.I have considered, if i had thought about it would i have acted in that way but life does not always give you that chance.I would do it again, as i know myself only too well.

[William]

Originally Posted by salima

xris, why didnt you just call the police on that guy?

Anger and fear override logic, sorry to say. My own thoughts as I have had time to think about what xris did, are relating to the victim in that her fear of "isolation" overrode her abuse, "freezing" her in the situation. I sincerely think that is the rule in most abuse cases. My "Ex" is going through the same scenario, though not this intense. These abuser's and I use the word reluctantly, are the lowest form of life, in my opinion. She and many others frozen in fear of isolation are the "hopeless" victims. I think in all probably,she would have been compelled out of her fear to change her story for she had become accustom to the abuse and being alone scares the hell out of her. Something the abuser knows all too well.

William

[Caroline]

Originally Posted by William

Anger and fear override logic, sorry to say. My own thoughts as I have had time to think about what xris did, are relating to the victim in that her fear of "isolation" overrode her abuse, "freezing" her in the situation. I sincerely think that is the rule in most abuse cases. My "Ex" is going through the same scenario, though not this intense. These abuser's and I use the word reluctantly, are the lowest form of life, in my opinion. She and many others frozen in fear of isolation are the "hopeless" victims. I think in all probably,she would have been compelled out of her fear to change her story for she had become accustom to the abuse and being alone scares the hell out of her. Something the abuser knows all too well.

William

And not only that the abuser will do everything in his/her power to keep them there making it even more difficult to find and reach out for help. And having children can make it even harder to leave if he/she can leave especially when they are young, if it is the mother being abused the strong bond between her and her children means almost all women chose to stay because they cannot leave their own children. Some woman dont know how to get help, they may know womens refuges exist but they might not know anything about them or may have just heard bad thing about them, it is a very daunting process to leave and start out on your own when you're downtrodden or black and blue or in hospital. But not impossible and refuges do a great job. It's getting the woman and her children there and keeping her there that is the most work, (IMO).

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by Elmud

I hate violence. Makes me physically ill to see it, feel it, be exposed to it in any way. It is everywhere you look. Turn your head to avoid it, its in the opposite direction as well. Its like a plague. Forces its way into the lives of us all.

It doesn't seem to me that violence against Hitler was such a bad idea. Nor, against Saadam, if it comes to that. Or the Taliban. Sometimes, not being violent harms the victims, and help the doers of evil. That seems to me immoral.

[Caroline]

Yes the worse thing you can do is nothing, (im not talking about using violence).

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by Caroline

Yes the worse thing you can do is nothing, (im not talking about using violence).

Why not, if that is necessary? What should we do? Let Hitler make some of us into lampshades in order to avoid violence. The best way to do evil is not to oppose evil.

[Didymos Thomas]

But violent opposition is not the only option. To make the leap from "we must do something" to "we must do violence" requires something more than the recognition of a problem.

Non-violent resistance has succeeded in the past. The only strike against non-violent resistance is that it is much more difficult for our brutish species than wielding a club.

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

But violent opposition is not the only option. To make the leap from "we must do something" to "we must do violence" requires something more than the recognition of a problem.

Non-violent resistance has succeeded in the past. The only strike against non-violent resistance is that it is much more difficult for our brutish species than wielding a club.

Non-violent resistance succeeded against the British. But the Nazis were not the British. It is as simple as that. The Iranian students who have been killed, and who are even now being tortured, were dealing with religious fanatics. Passive resistance would only feed them. Sorry about the world. But there it is.

[Didymos Thomas]

Originally Posted by kennethamy

Non-violent resistance succeeded against the British. But the Nazis were not the British. It is as simple as that. The Iranian students who have been killed, and who are even now being tortured, were dealing with religious fanatics. Passive resistance would only feed them. Sorry about the world. But there it is.

Were the Nazi's not human, like the British?

And the Iranian students have not ended their struggle. It has been going on for quite some time, and success may yet be theirs if they are careful.

Sorry about the world? I don't see your point: Gandhi was able to over throw the imperial rule of one of the most powerful nations in the world without use of violence. That's no small feat.

And non-violent resistence has been successful elsewhere as well.
Nonviolent resistance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There's the world, and while it's rough, I'm not the least bit sorry for being in it.