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Old 09-16-2009, 03:40 PM
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Time is it moving slower than it was in the young universe?

When the universe was very young gravity was unimaginably greater than it is now; thus according to Einstein time must have moved much much slower than it does now; in the very much less dense universe of the present or now.

If the above is true how did we arrive at our present moment and if we are in an ever accelerating time zone, due to the thinning out of our universe, due to expansion, at almost zero gravity would time not speed up toward infinity?

My point is; time moves slower in colossal gravity fields, how did our universe overcome this apparent paradox in its creation?, because physics tells us in an infinite gravity field like, the singularity, time must have stood still; but it did not luckily for us
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Re: Time is it moving slower than it was in the young universe?

According to the Einstein-Schrodinger equation they describe how the wave function evolves over time. This wave functions values maps out the possible states of the system complex numbers. This is saying that if you apply the property of wave-particle duality which is denoted as position and time and if multiplied to the second power it is equal to the chance of finding the subject at a certain time and position. Im trying to explain this as simple as possible, because the only other way is if you major in theoretical physics and understand there is a huge problem with quantum mechanics and the theory of general relativity. See if you look at it in the time aspect, Relativity says time is very flexible and quantum mechanics say time is very linear(like newtons theory) it goes straight ahead, tick tick tick, as we know it in our reality. But the Wheeler-Dewitt equation is the only equation which combines these two theories together to make everything possible and understanding in the cosmos. What they did is something me and my uncle having been trying to do for twenty years now with quantum physics, they simple take time out of the equation. Which makes complete and perfect sense. We've been trying to solve this answer with time in the equation after there remarkable discovery, but the only way to do so IS to take out time. Time does not exist in the physical universe it never has, we have made the mistake of doing so saying it is infinite. But infinity doesn't exist it is impossible to come into existence if it never started. I hope you understand.
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According to the Einstein-Schrodinger equation they describe how the wave function evolves over time. This wave functions values maps out the possible states of the system complex numbers. This is saying that if you apply the property of wave-particle duality which is denoted as position and time and if multiplied to the second power it is equal to the chance of finding the subject at a certain time and position. Im trying to explain this as simple as possible, because the only other way is if you major in theoretical physics and understand there is a huge problem with quantum mechanics and the theory of general relativity. See if you look at it in the time aspect, Relativity says time is very flexible and quantum mechanics say time is very linear(like newtons theory) it goes straight ahead, tick tick tick, as we know it in our reality. But the Wheeler-Dewitt equation is the only equation which combines these two theories together to make everything possible and understanding in the cosmos. What they did is something me and my uncle having been trying to do for twenty years now with quantum physics, they simple take time out of the equation. Which makes complete and perfect sense. We've been trying to solve this answer with time in the equation after there remarkable discovery, but the only way to do so IS to take out time. Time does not exist in the physical universe it never has, we have made the mistake of doing so saying it is infinite. But infinity doesn't exist it is impossible to come into existence if it never started. I hope you understand.
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I think that time only exists where there is a flow of entropy in the system , cause and effect if you like

At absolute zero would time flow?

Movement and time are interlinked, without movement we would have no concept of time e.g. revolution of the earth around the sun.

If we accept Einstein then time simply could not have moved at the moment of creation within the infinite gravity field of the singularity, if you get my drift;but it did. What was the mysterious force that drove and caused the early universe to emerge? Antigravity maybe?
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Re: Time is it moving slower than it was in the young universe?

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Hi ,

I think that time only exists where there is a flow of entropy in the system , cause and effect if you like

At absolute zero would time flow?

Movement and time are interlinked, without movement we would have no concept of time e.g. revolution of the earth around the sun.

If we accept Einstein then time simply could not have moved at the moment of creation within the infinite gravity field of the singularity, if you get my drift;but it did. What was the mysterious force that drove and caused the early universe to emerge? Antigravity maybe?

I love your intelligence.

So what your trying to say is through the second and third law of thermodynamics. Its amazing that you understand or anyone could understand the absolute form of entropy or thermodynamics. But the thing is you have to look at something both ways, put it in the equation and take it out of the equation. Time has nothing to do with entropy, entropy is just simply the expected amount of information needed to specify the state of system. Its just an informational theory concept to help us complete logarithms. Example: Condensation from ice melting, its looking for work through molecules, entropy exist everywhere in the universe.

At absolute zero time wouldn't exist nor has it ever.

We make time interlinked with everything. Look at it this way. Without time the earth will still revolve around the sun, and if it has no movement time still has no effect on it physically. Do you understand, take time out of everything you think it effects physically. Time as a physical entity does not exist but we have utilized this concept to make relative comparisons of event durations to that of repetitive and reproducible naturally occurring cycles or subdivisions thereof. It works in the same way that gravity does. Neither gravity (or its “gravitons”) nor time (or its “chronons”) exist as discrete entities. Gravity is nothing but the reactive force from Space to its displacement by matter. But in all of this where is Time as a physical entity. Nowhere. All we have done is to define the duration of a physical event.

Hey it could be anti-gravity who knows. Some say that its dark energy we haven't discovered yet.
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Re: Time is it moving slower than it was in the young universe?

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Hi ,

I think that time only exists where there is a flow of entropy in the system , cause and effect if you like

At absolute zero would time flow?

Movement and time are interlinked, without movement we would have no concept of time e.g. revolution of the earth around the sun.

If we accept Einstein then time simply could not have moved at the moment of creation within the infinite gravity field of the singularity, if you get my drift;but it did. What was the mysterious force that drove and caused the early universe to emerge? Antigravity maybe?
You can always tell that time is flowing because every particle has a wavelength and that translates to some sort of time for observers outside the particle. Inside a photon, no time is passing since it is traveling at the speed of light. Outside the photon we can see its wavelength stretched out in time.
In the most current most popular version of the standard model, the mysterious force that drove the inflation of the early universe (different from the Hubble/Gravitational field expansion) is the spontaneous symmetry breaking that produces the Higgs Field. Here's some random internet stuff on the topic.

WMAP Inflation Theory

Moriond 08: Day 1 Symmetry factor

http://www.sc4.lpi.ru/proceedings/shaposhnikov.pdf
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Re: Time is it moving slower than it was in the young universe?

What I would like to know is, if gravity, or rather warping of space, causes time to slow, or even lack of heat, or even both. What is time like between galaxies? It's as near to absolute as one can in both lack of temperature and warped space. Time may have been as fast or slow at the beginning as it is now.
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You can always tell that time is flowing because every particle has a wavelength and that translates to some sort of time for observers outside the particle. Inside a photon, no time is passing since it is traveling at the speed of light. Outside the photon we can see its wavelength stretched out in time.
In the most current most popular version of the standard model, the mysterious force that drove the inflation of the early universe (different from the Hubble/Gravitational field expansion) is the spontaneous symmetry breaking that produces the Higgs Field. Here's some random internet stuff on the topic.

WMAP Inflation Theory

Moriond 08: Day 1 Symmetry factor

http://www.sc4.lpi.ru/proceedings/shaposhnikov.pdf
Hi the mysterious force, maybe anti-gravity is driving and acceleration the universe outward and the latest opinion is that the universe is going to expand forever.

But there is a greater enigma when talking about the universe, our universe is asymmetrical, luckily for us, and made of matter, instead of a symmetrical universe consisting of only gamma rays due to matter and antimatter elimination each other in a flash of unimaginable cataclysm in the early universe
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Hi the mysterious force, maybe anti-gravity is driving and acceleration the universe outward and the latest opinion is that the universe is going to expand forever.
Dark Energy is the usual term for the aspect of the fields that drive expansion in the current regime. Since gravity is what drives most of the expansion, antigravity would reduce the expansion. So dark energy may be yet another aspect of the Higgs field.
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Dark Energy is the usual term for the aspect of the fields that drive expansion in the current regime. Since gravity is what drives most of the expansion, antigravity would reduce the expansion. So dark energy may be yet another aspect of the Higgs field.
The Higgs anti-gravity (God Particle) particle is a hypothetical theoretical particle, but theory is very often correct
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The Higgs anti-gravity (God Particle) particle is a hypothetical theoretical particle, but theory is very often correct
There's no need for any anti-gravity to drive the expansion faster. All you need is more energy in the fields, hence the term dark energy, which might well be an aspect of the Higgs field.
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