Is science moral?

[Yogi DMT]

Here is a quote from one of my favorite songs "Over thinking, over analyzing separates the body from the mind"

I think this is very true. The more we analyze and try to rationalize, the more we de-humanize ourselves. I really like science, its a logical method to explain many things. But it is possible that some areas are not meant to be delved so deep into. Not only do i think the more we know the more one day we will be our own demise but i think that there are some areas that are not meant to be tampered with. Some sciences seem more moral than others but science in the field of humans and our minds can be a bit of a controversy. A speific example is cloning, the more we know the more "test-tubes babies" there will be. Is it moral to have a child with out any biological parents? Now this is one example but there are many other specifcs out there that illustrate my point. With today's medical science we are always trying to keep people alive as long as possible and i am not going to lie, i want to live the longest i can too but can it be that it might be natural for people to die when they do. I know the thoguht may be a little grim but i'm trying to show the various ideas that can be taken as immoral. I think over-observing humanity can really lead to issues and the future and make us out to be no more than a bunch of chemicals. So my main question is do you think science is moral? I'd like to hear what you all have to say.

[Krumple]

So my main question is do you think science is moral? I'd like to hear what you all have to say.

Despite the fact that I want to just blurt out that this question is stupid, I won't. Instead I'll just say that everything regardless of what ever it is has three opportunities or potentials and I'll display them so they are easy to understand.

1. Something (what ever it is) could be used in a beneficial manor.
2. Something could be used in a non-beneficial manor.
3. Something could be ignored, neither used in a beneficial nor non-beneficial manor.

What is beneficial? It doesn't matter for this argument so no need to make the claim that it needs to be explained in this instance. No matter what you label as beneficial it can still be used with the three possibilities regardless.

I'll probably still get complaints so I'll give an example.

You could say that your existence is the only thing that is important. So for you to maintain your existence you will need to remove any opposition to your existence therefore anyone else who comes near you would need to be killed. So according to a person with this mode of thinking to act in a beneficial manor would mean killing anyone with any method necessary to kill them. Silly example? Yes but now you see that beneficial is subjective.

[xris]

I think scientists are human and they can if not scrutinised overstep their boundaries.Science just is, its not moral or immoral but the execution of its findings could be considered immoral.Nazi Germany gives us examples where the means were not not justified.Its a double edged sword that needs all our moral views to decide its worth.

[Yogi DMT]

Originally Posted by Krumple

Despite the fact that I want to just blurt out that this question is stupid, I won't. Instead I'll just say that everything regardless of what ever it is has three opportunities or potentials and I'll display them so they are easy to understand.

1. Something (what ever it is) could be used in a beneficial manor.
2. Something could be used in a non-beneficial manor.
3. Something could be ignored, neither used in a beneficial nor non-beneficial manor.

What is beneficial? It doesn't matter for this argument so no need to make the claim that it needs to be explained in this instance. No matter what you label as beneficial it can still be used with the three possibilities regardless.

I'll probably still get complaints so I'll give an example.

You could say that your existence is the only thing that is important. So for you to maintain your existence you will need to remove any opposition to your existence therefore anyone else who comes near you would need to be killed. So according to a person with this mode of thinking to act in a beneficial manor would mean killing anyone with any method necessary to kill them. Silly example? Yes but now you see that beneficial is subjective.

Sorry, but i'm not really getting what your saying.

[Krumple]

Sorry, but i'm not really getting what your saying.

I guess I need to put it into terms you are more familiar with.

Some people think tool is great
Some people think tool is lame
Some people neither like nor dislike tool (maybe because they haven't heard tool)

All things are like this...
You can take any object, subject or morality and place it in these terms.

Is listening to tool beneficial?
Is listening to tool non-beneficial?
Is listening to tool neither beneficial or non-beneficial?

[Yogi DMT]

Woah ok. Well i actually think a lot of what Tool says is very plausible does having some legitimate. The thing is most of what this thread is about does not come from Tool, i actually have thought of this on my own and used a quote from Tool to illustrate my point. You can forget about the insert i used and just focus on my message. Yes i like Tool, no this post is not about Tool in any way and is an idea i've been thinking of. By the way, i take it your not a Tool fan, that's fine, im not one to judge.

[Krumple]

By the way, i take it your not a Tool fan, that's fine, im not one to judge.

Heh, not only am I a tool fan but I like a perfect circle too. Maynard is very talented and I am familiar with his messages especially inside tool lyrics. 46 and 2 is about transcending human evolution of mind or ego. Most modern music wouldn't even touch it but maynard did.

[Aedes]

Originally Posted by Yogi DMT

So my main question is do you think science is moral?

This isn't your main question. The whole preamble that leads up to this question of yours is not a matter of intrinsic morality in science. It's a meditation on the role of science in society.

So what really is your main question?

[Yogi DMT]

That is my main question. I don't see how you come to the conclusion that i'm focused on the role of science in our society, unless you mean that by focusing on some of what science plays in our society i can find out if some specific sciences are truly moral? Either way the two questions are interminglable but i'd like the question of morality answered not the observation of the various impacts of science.

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Originally Posted by Krumple

Heh, not only am I a tool fan but I like a perfect circle too. Maynard is very talented and I am familiar with his messages especially inside tool lyrics. 46 and 2 is about transcending human evolution of mind or ego. Most modern music wouldn't even touch it but maynard did.

Hey sorry for the DP but i'd be interested if you would ellaborate on that please . I like that song but haven't actually analyzed that song yet. I really would like to hear how you come to that conclusion.

[lovetothink]

this is just a wild shot in the dark but i think the answer is maybe

your question relies on a yes or no answer but the term science covers many different fields and morality depends on a person's views so your general question "is science moral?" has no answer unless you're asking people if they think science is moral to which my answer is maybe.