Does god have logic?

[BRbeliever]

If god has no logic, then we have no logic since we are him and he is us.
We have logic, so therefore he must have logic.

If god has logic, can this logic be understood by humans?
If humans cannot understand god's logic, then there is no point in believing in god, since this results in not knowing what his intentions are. Saying his intentions are doing what is best for us would in this case be part of god's logic, and if there is no logic in his doing what's best for us, god's will could be anything: spreading war, developing global stupidity, corrupting the human spirit, etc.

If humans can understand god's logic, then I would like someone to explain it to me.

[topherfox]

You assume that God is even remotely attach to something like logic or reason. Reason and logic are basically a different type of language that humans can express their ideas with. We assume if there is a God that he is a rational being that gives purpose to the world. There is no real rational explanation for our existence, so we assume some other higher form must be at work with some plan, giving some ultimate purpose to our existence. If we were even remotely close in rationale to this higher being we would at least have the answer to this basic question.

[de Silentio]

Originally Posted by topherfox

You assume that God is even remotely attach to something like logic or reason.

If The Bible is any indication of God's nature, John 1:1 uses the Greek word Logos to describe God. We translate this as 'Word', but Logos has logic undertones. In fact, Logos is translated into Logic sometimes. (I think)

[Didymos Thomas]

de Silento is right, logos definately carries the notion of being logically coherent. If "the Word" was incoherent, it wouldn't be much of a word, hmm?

Reason and logic are basically a different type of language that humans can express their ideas with.

No, not at all. Go look up the terms "reason" and "logic".

There is no real rational explanation for our existence, so we assume some other higher form must be at work with some plan, giving some ultimate purpose to our existence. If we were even remotely close in rationale to this higher being we would at least have the answer to this basic question.

Sure there is an explaination for our existence. Evolution explains how human life developed.
What you mean by "ultimate purpose" I have no idea. What would an ultimate purpose be? Can you define this?

If humans can understand god's logic, then I would like someone to explain it to me.

How is God's logic any different than logic? Logic is, most basically, the law of noncontradiction - that something cannot both have and lack a property at the same time, in the same respect. For example, I cannot stand 5'9" and 6'5" at the same time. To say "Thomas is both 5'9" and 6'5"" is logically incoherent.
Why must this be any different for God?

But, BRbeliever, you are assuming that God and man are something apart from one another, rather than being the same thing, or at least closely related. Why, and how are they different?

[BRbeliever]

First of all, thank you for your constructive post i can work with.

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

No, not at all. Go look up the terms "reason" and "logic".

My thoughts exactly.

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

Sure there is an explaination for our existence. Evolution explains how human life developed.
What you mean by "ultimate purpose" I have no idea. What would an ultimate purpose be? Can you define this?

I myself think this is the most important reason to why people believe in God. A, if not THE (though still uncertain), purpose.

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

How is God's logic any different than logic? Logic is, most basically, the law of noncontradiction - that something cannot both have and lack a property at the same time, in the same respect. For example, I cannot stand 5'9" and 6'5" at the same time. To say "Thomas is both 5'9" and 6'5"" is logically incoherent.
Why must this be any different for God?

But, BRbeliever, you are assuming that God and man are something apart from one another, rather than being the same thing, or at least closely related. Why, and how are they different?

I don't think God and men are one nor think they aren't. I'm just trying to figure out what would be when they are and what would be when they aren't, logically .

If God and men are one then God must have logic, because everything we do is God and everything we do has reason and logic.

If God and men aren't one then we can ask ourselves, does God have logic?
etc.

[Didymos Thomas]

I myself think this is the most important reason to why people believe in God. A, if not THE (though still uncertain), purpose.

I still have no idea what you mean by "ultimate purpose". Sure, I've heard people use this phrase before, but I've never heard anyone give a coherent explaination as to what an "ultimate purpose" would look like and why we need one.

I don't think God and men are one nor think they aren't. I'm just trying to figure out what would be when they are and what would be when they aren't, logically .

If God and men are one then God must have logic, because everything we do is God and everything we do has reason and logic.

If God and men aren't one then we can ask ourselves, does God have logic?

Okay, then what is God? Is He something fundamental to everything? Or is he something fundamentally different from everything? Or somewhere in between?

[Aedes]

Where the bible contains internal contradictions, does that condemn its logic as imperfect? Or is that something that will be rationalized away by those who insist that it should be logical? And the bible doesn't really make logical arguments anyway -- it's a narrative but not a proof, and it takes certain things for granted.

So where is there any foundation in scripture that tells us whether God is logical or not? If God is all powerful, all knowing, and he transcends time, then he does not need logic, because the universe and all points of space and time correspond to his will even if they seem contradictory to us. Otherwise how could you reconcile logic with miracles??

[Didymos Thomas]

Where the bible contains internal contradictions, does that condemn its logic as imperfect? Or is that something that will be rationalized away by those who insist that it should be logical? And the bible doesn't really make logical arguments anyway -- it's a narrative but not a proof, and it takes certain things for granted.

You are right that the Bible does not make logical arguments. There is little need for logical arguments in spiritual teaching. The contradictions are not something to be rationalized so that we can claim the Bible is logical, but the contradictions do exist and exist for some reason.

So where is there any foundation in scripture that tells us whether God is logical or not? If God is all powerful, all knowing, and he transcends time, then he does not need logic, because the universe and all points of space and time correspond to his will even if they seem contradictory to us. Otherwise how could you reconcile logic with miracles??

First, just because something seems contradictory to a man, does not mean that it is illogical. I suppose I'm not sure what it would be for God to be illogical. How would God both have a property and lack that property at the same time and in the same respect?
Of course, if God is beyond time (whatever that means) then he, it seems, at least cannot be illogical. So it would seem, if God is not illogical, that he logical. I'm not sure this is sufficient. All we've done is take God out of time, by definition, and therefore, by definition, he cannot be illogical.

[InsideOutsider5]

Originally Posted by BRbeliever

If god has no logic, then we have no logic since we are him and he is us.
We have logic, so therefore he must have logic.

If god has logic, can this logic be understood by humans?
If humans cannot understand god's logic, then there is no point in believing in god, since this results in not knowing what his intentions are. Saying his intentions are doing what is best for us would in this case be part of god's logic, and if there is no logic in his doing what's best for us, god's will could be anything: spreading war, developing global stupidity, corrupting the human spirit, etc.

If humans can understand god's logic, then I would like someone to explain it to me.

This is an unsound argument...

[InsideOutsider5]

Originally Posted by BRbeliever

If god has no logic, then we have no logic since we are him and he is us.
We have logic, so therefore he must have logic.

If god has logic, can this logic be understood by humans?
If humans cannot understand god's logic, then there is no point in believing in god, since this results in not knowing what his intentions are. Saying his intentions are doing what is best for us would in this case be part of god's logic, and if there is no logic in his doing what's best for us, god's will could be anything: spreading war, developing global stupidity, corrupting the human spirit, etc.

If humans can understand god's logic, then I would like someone to explain it to me.

This is an unsound argument...
Also, just because you cant understand Gods logic does not mean ther is no point in believing in him. If we could understand Gods logic then we would have to be Gods ourself...