Why Humans Reject God

[tMeeker]

Pride. Welcome to the core fundamental, founding purpose, principle, catalyst, and intiator as to why humans reject an ultimate creator. This constant is thoroughly seen in so many humans now withinin our society, and it is ever more seen within humans of a higher standard of educational and intellectual status. Why do humans reject God? The answer is simple, they believe they do not need God, they fully believe they are above God, and that they are "just fine making it on their own". Of course many will respond to this claim with the response that humans reject God due to philosophical and intellectual searching, and that after much debate and laborious reasoning, they have concluded after many long decades, that God cannot exist. You have to understand, whenever a human is subjected to vast amounts of philosophical or higher educational information, they commonly become prideful as to their belief that they are so brilliantly innovative or intelligent, and this belief of their intelligence intiates their pride. It is a cruel irony, whenever one searches for intellectual achievement, they so commonly reach their own ruin from their prideful arrogance and rejection of God.

It is a somber reflection to think that it will take such tragic and devastating occurrences in one's life to make them realize just how desperate they are for God. A large majority of the time, it requires tragic events in people's lives, to make them realize their need for God. Man created his own end, his pride will destroy him if he allows it to. Why are we so prideful? Why do we think we are always right? Why can't we seem to get this life right? Why do we think we are so intelligent?.....when in reality we barely know anything at all. This universe is so vast and large, and with the very little knowledge we have about its design, we still have so much to learn. However, many will argue that we have uncovered so much in this cosmic scheme known as "life", and we have. Yet, we are so ignorrant as to what the true reality of life is.......and what the essence of it all is.

Pride is a virus that must be supressed, and if it is left unchecked, it will destroy us.

[Dexter78]

You give a reason people reject God, such as philosophical an intellectual searching, but you do not say why their conclusion is wrong. It seems that the only reason you think such a conclusion is wrong is that is is different from your conclusion. Have you undertaken such a rigorous analysis? You also site pride, and sure, some accomplished intellectuals are prideful, but how does this negate their argument even if they are prideful? If a person does such research, examines the evidence and concludes there is no God, where in such a person's argument against belief in God is pride a necesary component for the argument to be valid, that if they somehow removed pride, the argument would fall apart?

Arguments against the existence of God are much more complex than simply believing one doesn't need God, since that in and of itself is not convincing. I don't believe I need a ten bedroom house, but that certainly doesn't mean they don't exist. On the flipside, feeling a need for something does not mean that that the something exists. So if a person experiences a tragedy and feels they need God, or Gods, or some higher being, this does not at all mean it exists. If you want to know why some people do not believe in God, explore the arguments against the existence of God and see if you can find a mistake in their reasoning.

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Why Humans Deny Themselves

Religion. Welcome to the core fundamental, founding purpose, principle, catalyst, and intiator as to why humans deny themselves. This constant is thoroughly seen in so many humans now withinin our society, and it is ever more seen within humans of lower wages and higher labor expenditure. Why do humans deny themselves? The answer is simple, they believe they cannot face the danger of a rebellious life, they fully believe they are sub-sovereign, and that they "just can't make it on their own". Of course many will respond to this claim with the response that humans deny themselves due to the search for something greater than themselves and the intervention of a supreme being, and that after much inner searching and scriptural readings they have found that a God exists. You have to understand, whenever a human is subjected to vast amounts of religious dogma and indoctrination that they begin to feel a sense of worthlessness, overt piety, and a general disdain for those who do face the danger of the independent life. It is a cruel irony, whenever one searches for spiritual enlightenment, they so commonly deny the sole existence they could ever possibly experience.

It is a somber reflection to think that the most simple of troubles and lightest of paths will cause a man to reject the true glory that can be found in himself. A large majority of the time, any minor inconvenience can send a man to his knees, bowed before an entity they could not possibly understand. Man created his own end, his religion will destroy him if he allows it to. Why are we so religious? Why do we think we are not worthy? Why can't we seem to live our own life? This universe is so vast and large, and with the very little knowledge we have about its design, we still have so much to learn. However, many will argue that we have uncovered so much in this cosmic scheme known as "life", and we have. Yet, we are so ignorrant as to what the true reality of life is.......and what the essence of it all is. Even though this much is left to be learned, explored, and overcame we turn our backs on discovery and cower in dark corners of our religions.

Religion is a virus that must be overcame, and if it is left unchecked, it will destroy us.

[tMeeker]

Funny, funny, funny......really funny. It seems that you have developed quite the potential to become a comedian one day.....maybe you should consider that? I know your type, Mr. Fight the Power and Dexter78, or maybe it's 87....I don't know, whatever. Regardless, you both are so predictable and so easily perceived to have responded with the response which you thus did. Mr. Fight the Power, you fear conformity don't you? You go to bed every night fearing that you won't stand out of the crowd. You fear this because of your inferiority complex that if no one notices you when you go about your daily routine, you will be simply forgotten when the world comes to its impending end. You are scared to death that no one will remember you......so you seek out fame by distorting the principles of "power" and your own existence becomes fully defined in rejecting everything to give you a sense of purpose. You hope people will notice if you "fight the power" of everything, including religion. Why do you do this? You are a slave to your own pride. Your pride will destroy you if you let it. Go ahead....respond to this post by simply repeating everything I say only contorting the words to the way you see them....prove me right.

You rely on "froofy" words and fancy terminology to ensure people are impressed by your demeanor and appearance. You both hide behind philosphy and your intellectual beliefs so that other people will hold the perception that you have it all figured out. But the truth is, you are utterly hopeless. You may not acknowledge to your own self. But you are. You feel your utter lonliness when you close your eyes at night, you feel your lack of purpose when you go out your door in the morning. You will irrevocably respond to this post with yet another endless contraption of "froofy" words that claim you don't need religion, nor do you need God. Why are you afraid of God? Your pride is killing your soul.

The ironic thing is the fact that I am merely a teenage punk kid who is debating you on the fact that God exists. You may be a college professor of philosphy, maybe you're a simple man who has wandered his entire life still yet to understand the meaning of it all, or maybe you live in your parent's basement. Whoever you are, it is ironic that I have already had the privledge of having the "truth" of life revealed to me.....and you will ultimately spend your entire life searching for the reason of our existence, unless the answer should be revealed to you. You fear death, don't you? The difference between us friend, is that when I face death one day, I will be smiling..........and you will be second-guessing every decision you ever made....hoping that you are right, and that there is no God. Because if there is a God............you won't be able to hide behind your philosophy anymore.

Go ahead, respond to this by repeating exactly what I say, or respond with your fancy words, or do the opposite.....since you are supposedly "Mr. Fight the Power", you probably won't respond at all just to prove me wrong. Either way, your pride will kill you and nail your courage to the sticking post.

-It's easy for you to preach atheism when you are hiding behind your computer screen.......try doing it when your looking down a gun barrel.

[Dexter78]

So you take issue with my responding with philosophy and "fancy words" in a PHILOSOPHY forum. How would you prefer I respond, with shadow
puppets? Your response is nothing more than a temper tantrum. And I hate to disappoint you, but I'm just a guy in my 20's, not much older than you, and I'm a scientist, not a professor of philosophy, though I'll take it as a compliment that you thought I was. When I was 18, I at least knew how to think. You don't, you're intolerant to any opposing view. You don't present an argument, you just shriek, "I'm right and you're wrong!" If a person has an intelligent argument about anything from religion to ethics to the Chinese stock market, I'll listen, and if I'm proven wrong about something, so be it. I'm not afraid of challenging my beliefs. Instead, you huff and puff and rant like a cheerleader who just had her outfit criticized, and your argument is just as substantial. You're an embarassment to the concept of being non-judgemental, a virtue your religion claims to extol.

Extol (transitive verb): To value highly, glorify.

If you need to believe that myself or Mr. Fight the Power or anyone else who disagrees with you wanders through life in misery, sadness, or loneliness etc. in order to validate your beliefs, then fine, go ahead. Speaking only for myself, I can say you're wrong, plain and simple, no froofy words, so you won't have to keep running to get the dictionary off your seat at the kitchen table. And no matter how many times you cram the statement into your posts, my supposed pride is not killing me. However, your ignorance is giving me a headache.

[tMeeker]

Simple words.......from a simple mind.

[tMeeker]

What is quite comical about this situation is that this is a PHILOSOPHY forum, and therefore, due to the constructed design for what a PHILOSOPHY has undeniably been created for, you enter into this forum to philosophy about the basic principles of the universe. However you gentlemen, or women if you may be, use this forum to enforce your own agenda and contort other's belief to your own. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is also the RELIGION FORUM, meaning: We talk about RELIGION here.....so if you're an atheist what are you doing here?

All I did was post why I believe people reject God, now my belief is my own belief, however ultimately I triggered a chain reaction which left you now frusturated that someone's view differed from your own. When I posted my statement, I ultimately intiated the chemical precursors within your brain to stimulate an emotion of malcontent against.....me and my beliefs, (once again this stems from your pride).

You will once again argue that I am the narrow minded one, however it was you first triggered the "childlike" response to my beliefs, so in the proper light you are actually the instigators of the very view you are trying to say I am holding the embodiment of.

Oh and by the way, Instigator: (noun, adjective): One who intiates a common cause, or purpose. The catalyst of a situation.

Once again I can predict what is irrevocably occuring within your mind. Your anger and pride is flooding your logic and reason, you are being overwhelmed with disgust against me. But of course, I am but a teenager who "intiated" an idea, and you are the so-called philosophers who can't receive what they dish out.

"You can preach atheism when you hide behind your computer screen, but let's see you do it when you have a gun barrel in your face."

[Dexter78]

I'll try to address this point by point. This is a philosophy forum, and as such is a place for the exchange of ideas, for people to present an argument for a position or idea, someone responds, etc. For example, you claimed that pride is why people reject God. In my first reply I state that it is the convincing nature of the arguments against God that explains why some people do not believe in God, and ask if you can find a flaw in such arguments, to point it out. At no time did you ever say anything such as "The scientific arguments against the existence of God are mistaken because..." or "The philosophical arguments against the existence of God are mistaken because..." Instead, you reply with statements like:

I know your type, Mr. Fight the Power and Dexter78, or maybe it's 87....I don't know, whatever. Regardless, you both are so predictable and so easily perceived to have responded with the response which you thus did.

and:

You rely on "froofy" words and fancy terminology to ensure people are impressed by your demeanor and appearance. You both hide behind philosphy and your intellectual beliefs so that other people will hold the perception that you have it all figured out. But the truth is, you are utterly hopeless. You may not acknowledge to your own self. But you are. You feel your utter lonliness when you close your eyes at night, you feel your lack of purpose when you go out your door in the morning. You will irrevocably respond to this post with yet another endless contraption of "froofy" words that claim you don't need religion, nor do you need God. Why are you afraid of God? Your pride is killing your soul.

These are statements, not arguments. And I'm the one pushing an agenda? Even your signature is "Truth cannot be found in things of this world, But in the God who created them." You don't know me at all, yet claim I'm utterly hopeless, utterly lonely, I feel a lack of purpose etc. None of this applies to me. Can you present an argument as to why what you said is true? You haven't as of yet, you just say it and leave it at that. You claim I am filed with disgust against you because your point of view is different, yet your above comments indicate it is you who are disgusted with me because of my views. Also, it is no more a requirement to be religious in order to talk about religion than it is for you to be an atheist in order to postulate about why people are atheists. For the record, I was once religious myself.

As I said, I am here to exchange ideas, different from mine or otherwise, and hear how people defend various positions. If a person presents very convincing arguments against one of my positions or in defense of their own, I will modify my position, I am not so prideful, as you frequently state, as to think that all my positions are 100% correct. However, you say:

I have already had the privledge of having the "truth" of life revealed to me.....

You do not even hint at the possibility that you are wrong, you leave no room for discussion or debate, other than within your own framework, so why are you here? Why post in a philosophy forum, knowing there are those like myself and others here who have differing points of view and will respond to you, if you have no intention of considering views that are different from your own, or at the very least, present arguments against these opposing views.

[boagie]

TMeeker

You apparently have all the characteristics you have attributed to others here,in psychological terms it is called projection.What you do not lack is passion for your topic.You are new here and have NOT gotten off on the right foot------I know the experience.Make an argument and back it up, making proclamations is of a different nature than philosophy,otherwise find a biblical site that you will find more to your liking.PS:Whatever your argument,always allow for the negative response------that's what makes it interesting! Welcome to the site! Oh yes,the topic,"God is dead have you not heard?"

"You can preach atheism when you hide behind your computer screen, but let's see you do it when you have a gun barrel in your face."

TMeeker,statements like this are not a good idea,here or elsewhere I would imagine.http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum...cons/icon9.gif May Zeus forgive you!

[tMeeker]

To begin with, the quote, "You can preach atheism when you're hiding behind you computer screen.........", is a hypothetical quote, and is simply stating that it is simple for one to instill their beliefs on others when they have the comfort and security of knowing they do not actually have to stand behind their views when reality comes knocking at their door.

In regards to Dexter78, you're right......I didn't present a valid arguement for you or the other members of the audience....and therefore my apologies. To give you some insight, I was once a member of another philosophy forum.....and I was ultimately banned for my beliefs so forgive me if I became aggressive when a group of people once again challenged me upon my views. There are very few Christians upon philosophy forums, so I hold a extremely straight-fowards stance when on this subject, and I am very hard-headed and very narrow minded upon my beliefs.

Secondly and emphatically, and what really matters most, my arguement for the existence of God.......let the fireworks begin. I want to start of by providing the readers of this with a variety of websites to explore to present my case, you may or may not visit these, but remember if you don't........don't waste time arguing with me if you haven't seen the facts.

http://www.proofthatgodexists.org/
http://www.doesgodexist.org/Phamplets/Mansproof.html

My arguement is simple, God is the ultimate architect and designer of this cosmic universe. You ask the question: How do you know God exists? Simple, as you read these words right now, you're brain is rapidly relaying nerve impulses by the use of motor neurons, neurotransmitters, and nerve fibers at a speed which is uncomprehensible. You read these letters, these words.....your brain is formulating an idea for what these words mean, and what the idea behind them is stimulating you to believe. Your brain is right now, rapidly processing thoughts and conscious ideas, which thus, leave you with an understanding with what I am typing. But as I am typing these words, your intellectual subconscious arguement is that in the back of your mind.....you are argueing with yourself that God cannot exist. Why? Denial.....denial is the most predictable of all human emotions, and with it, humans reject the things and images they cannot see.

You don't believe in God, because you cannot see Him. You require visible proof from God to earn your belief in Him. But let me ask you this....you cannot see air......but you know it is there. You have to believe air exists because that is the only logical explanation for how you are breathing right now as you read these words. But who do you think is allowing your respiratory system right now to process the air your lungs are cycling through your body.....right now as you read these words? Do you think this process just happens by chance? Do you think your brain which is processing the thoughts right now of your rejection of God, is actually constructing these conscious thoughts by some mere sporadic chance? It is ironic for one to think, that creator you are ultimately rejecting, is the very one who is keeping you alive right now.

In terms of logically proving God's existence.....my gosh, how much logic do you need? Look at a car, no one looks at a car passing by, and exclaims: "Whoah! I guess that vehicle just randomly appeared from nothing! It's a miracle!" It's the same thing with us as human beings, we LOGICALLY have to have been constructed from a creator. We know that from LOGIC, since we as humans exist, God must exist, due to the fact that we cannot LOGICALLY be here without the existence of an architect.

When it really comes down to it, we're all going to die. This simple seventy years we spend within this life, is but a mere whisper in comparison to eternity......so why are you willing to take the chance that there isn't a God, and jeopardize your eternal future? That's a really big gamble to take. I mean when you die.....there's no changing your mind.

Just to let you know.....that since you began reading my reply.......you've lost another five minutes off your life.