Socialism (Moved from Grapes of Wrath)

[EmperorNero]

I listened The Grapes of Wrath as Audio Book until they reach California and everybody starts dying.
From there it just goes socialist on you, and reading the Wikipedia summary on the rest was enough for me.

[xris]

Originally Posted by NoEmperorNero

I listened The Grapes of Wrath as Audio Book until they reach California and everybody starts dying.
From there it just goes socialist on you, and reading the Wikipedia summary on the rest was enough for me.

Socialism is not a dirty word for all of us..What really made you stop reading it ?the reality of the story?..

[EmperorNero]

Well... if you consider listening to the audio book reading.
I think the reality - as in everybody dying - somewhat disturbed me.

And that socialism isn't a dirty word any more will doom us all.
Rasmussen Reports: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere

[xris]

Originally Posted by NoEmperorNero

Well... if you consider listening to the audio book reading.
I think the reality - as in everybody dying - somewhat disturbed me.

And that socialism isn't a dirty word any more will doom us all.
Rasmussen Reports: The Most Comprehensive Public Opinion Data Anywhere

So whats dirty about it ?and what has a report on opinions have to do with determining its value.I think it disturbed you because of your vision of society and the actual realty it could produce.Not everyone survives and we need society to accept that fact and catch those who fall.

[EmperorNero]

Originally Posted by xris

So whats dirty about it ?

Rewarding bad behaviour, punishing good behaviour.

[xris]

Originally Posted by NoEmperorNero

Rewarding bad behaviour, punishing good behaviour.

Do you realise this is pure rhetoric of no value.I suppose you are referring to the bankers or the car industries helping hand out .Of course this a very socialist activity helping the rich, is it not...Giving arms deals to the company who gives the biggest contribution to a certain republican party, another socialist weakness.

[EmperorNero]

I was referring to modern socialist tendencies in general.
Such as progressively taxing the productive - or the rich aka. the middle class - for politicians to buy votes.
It's punishing good behaviour and rewarding bad behaviour.
Did you know that half of Americans don't pay any income tax? Why would they vote against tax increases?

[xris]

Originally Posted by NoEmperorNero

I was referring to modern socialist tendencies in general.
Such as progressively taxing the productive - or the rich aka. the middle class - for politicians to buy votes.
It's punishing good behaviour and rewarding bad behaviour.
Did you know that half of Americans don't pay any income tax? Why would they vote against tax increases?

So in your world where would your government obtain its income from ? Why would they vote against tax increases..who? vote for what? i dont understand your question..Im sorry but how else does a government obtain taxes, are you saying the rich should pay less and the poor more? If anything the rich by their ability pay less respectively than the poor so do you intend to widen that gap and make the rich richer and the poor poorer.Sorry im absolutely delighted im a socialist, when i see this rhetoric.

[EmperorNero]

Everybody paying the same rate does sound fair to me.
Do you agree that it is a good idea to punish your children for better grades, while rewarding bad grades?

Why would the majority, that does not pay any taxes, be against socialism?
They don't have to pay for it.
The state has no business redistributing wealth. Quit useless social programs and the state does not need as much income.

[xris]

Originally Posted by NoEmperorNero

Everybody paying the same rate does sound fair to me.
Do you agree that it is a good idea to punish your children for better grades, while rewarding bad grades?

Why would the majority, that does not pay any taxes, be against socialism?
They don't have to pay for it.
The state has no business redistributing wealth. Quit useless social programs and the state does not need as much income.

When does socialism punish kids for getting better grades, are you really being serious? Why should the majority of people who fall below the level of a certain income be forced to pay taxes at a higher rate than those who are above that rate.The state does not redistribute income, it taxes those who earn and helps those who are below a certain income.The book gives you good example of a society that cares only for winners.We are not talking about scroungers or the lazy but honest hard working folk who by circumstance or even greed by those who have succeeded, fallen on hard times, they need for humanities sake for society to aid their recovery.