Socialism (Moved from Grapes of Wrath)

[EmperorNero]

Originally Posted by xris

Its principles are displayed in its achievements, just look at them and the results are seen every where.Corporate bodies are their highest achievement and they will willingly destroy for profit.The cigarette companies are a prime example.International companies like Nestles and others act like morals are obstructions to profits.Oil companies use any means at their disposal to advance its share of the market.Ignore democratic demands by the citizens and will sit down with the devil for the next million barrels of crude.Bandits come in many disguises and only the product distinguishes one from the other.

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well sir your dog eat dog world of the best survives and the lowest are left to starve is my idea of the worst form of civilisation man could conceive of.It makes no consideration of the weak the disabled or the mentally ill.It admires the best and condemns the least.Yes i do take the high road and you can not deny it.We left Anarchy behind when we deserted tribalism and made friends with our neighbours.

So you wish to rid humanity of greed? How will you do that?

[GoshisDead]

It may be all the Human Foibles and Character flaws that have made humanity such a successful species in its short existence. Greed, violence, selfishness etc... might be the very traits that made us so fit.

[EmperorNero]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

It may be all the Human Foibles and Character flaws that have made humanity such a successful species in its short existence. Greed, violence, selfishness etc... might be the very traits that made us so fit.

Yes, and I don't see how to end that. In capitalism we notice greed, but ending capitalism does not end greed.

[xris]

Avarice is a sin and it cannot be fed by a system that supports it.Men may be greedy they may desire many things but morals do not encourage those desires, they attempt at controlling them.Would you agree with a government that allowed slavery? its very profitable and if the slaves are taken from another country your citizens will benefit.It happens in corporate bodies but they call it exploitation.We fight wars to advance democracy but mention oil and we turn the other cheek.We hate communism but we enjoy their products.We hate the dictator killing his citizens but we sell him guns.We cant stand the rain forest being cut down but we buy the latest teak coffee table.Yes i am greedy but i vote for morality and honesty.

[EmperorNero]

Originally Posted by xris

Avarice is a sin and it cannot be fed by a system that supports it.Men may be greedy they may desire many things but morals do not encourage those desires, they attempt at controlling them.Would you agree with a government that allowed slavery? its very profitable and if the slaves are taken from another country your citizens will benefit.It happens in corporate bodies but they call it exploitation.We fight wars to advance democracy but mention oil and we turn the other cheek.We hate communism but we enjoy their products.We hate the dictator killing his citizens but we sell him guns.We cant stand the rain forest being cut down but we buy the latest teak coffee table.Yes i am greedy but i vote for morality and honesty.

I agree. I am for morality too. I am for no more sad puppies as well.

[xris]

Originally Posted by EmperorNero

I agree. I am for morality too. I am for no more sad puppies as well.

You cant vote for morality and permit exploitation.Capitalism by its motives encourages the avoidance of morality.It is a constant battle for moralists in a capitalist enviroment pointing out the immoral acts in it attempts to obtain the best profit.
Whale hunting is a prime example, we dont need the meat, the Japanese could live without it but the bucks are big ,its instant profit and dam the morality.

[EmperorNero]

Originally Posted by xris

You cant vote for morality and permit exploitation.Capitalism by its motives encourages the avoidance of morality.

No. Human nature by its motives encourages the avoidance of morality. Capitalism is where we notice it.
So you want a government that enforces morality?

[xris]

Originally Posted by EmperorNero

No. Human nature by its motives encourages the avoidance of morality. Capitalism is where we notice it.
So you want a government that enforces morality?

You cant enforce morality but you can have laws that make it illegal to exploit and encourage it by its pronounced intentions.

[EmperorNero]

Originally Posted by xris

You cant enforce morality but you can have laws that make it illegal to exploit and encourage it by its pronounced intentions.

But that's possible within capitalism, right?

[xris]

Originally Posted by EmperorNero

But that's possible within capitalism, right?

If it was implemented by a capitalist government it would loose support from its main source of income.The system encourages unfair advantages for corporate business.Look at the cigarette industry why is it not taxed into oblivion ?Look at the arms industry and see how it exploits by lobbying the influential in congress and our parliament.70,000 lobbyists make a living in Washington, is that a good sign of government operating for the people or for the corporate businesses that can afford to employ them.A determined capitalist government would cease to be what it claims.It puts a charade of pretended morals to appease the few who protest.