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Organ transplants and cellular memories does this happen?

This is a fascinating subject much in the media at the time of writing


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August SFM: Cellular Memory in Organ Transplants

Paul Pearsall, MD, a psychoneuroimmunologist and author of The Heart's Code, has researched the transference of memories through organ transplantation. After interviewing nearly 150 heart and other organ transplant recipients, Pearsall proposes the idea that cells of living tissue have the capacity to remember.

Together with Schwartz and Russek, Pearsall conducted a study, published in the Spring 2002 issue of the Journal of Near-Death Studies, entitled, "Changes in Heart Transplant Recipients That Parallel the Personalities of Their Donors."

The study consisted of open-ended interviews with 10 heart or heart-lung transplant recipients, their families or friends and the donor's families or friends. The researchers reported striking parallels in each of the cases. The following is a sampling of some these.

In one case, an 18-year-old boy who wrote poetry, played music and composed songs, was killed in an automobile accident. A year after he died his parents came across an audiotape of a song he had written, entitled, "Danny, My Heart is Yours," which was about how he "felt he was destined to die and give his heart to someone." The donor recipient "Danny" of his heart, was an 18-year-old girl, named Danielle. When she met the donor's parents, they played some of his music and she, despite never having heard the song, was able to complete the phrases.

In another case, a seven-month-old boy received a heart from a
16-month-old boy who had drowned. The donor had a mild form of cerebral palsy mostly on the left side. The recipient, who did not display such symptoms prior to the transplant, developed the same stiffness and shaking on the left side.

A 47-year-old Caucasian male received a heart from a 17-year-old African-American male. The recipient was surprised by his new-found love of classical music. What he discovered later was that the donor, who loved classical music and played the violin, had died in a drive-by shooting, clutching his violin case to his chest.

A 29-year-old lesbian and a fast food junkie received a heart from a 19-year-old woman vegetarian who was "man crazy." The recipient reported after her operation that meat made her sick and she was no longer attracted to women.If fact, she became engaged to marry a man
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A 47-year-old man received a heart from a 14-year-old girl gymnast who had problems with eating disorders. After the transplant, the recipient and his family reported his tendency to be nauseated after eating, a childlike exuberance and a little girl's giggle.

Aside from those included in the study, there are other transplant recipients whose stories are worth mentioning, such as Claire Sylvia, a woman who received a heart-lung transplant. In her book entitled, A Change of Heart: A Memoir, Ms. Sylvia describes her own journey from being a healthy, active dancer to becoming ill and eventually needing a heart transplant.

After the operation, she reported peculiar changes like cravings for beer and chicken nuggets, neither of which she had a taste for prior to the transplant. She later discovered that these were favorites of her donor. She even learned that her donor had chicken nuggets in his jacket pocket when he died in a motorcycle accident.

Another possible incidence of memory transfer occurred when a young man came out of his transplant surgery and said to his mother, "everything is copasetic." His mother said that he had never used that word before, but now used it all the time. It was later discovered that the word had been a signal, used by the donor and his wife, particularly after an argument, so that when they made up they knew everything was okay. The donor's wife reported that they had had an argument just before the donor's fatal accident and had never made up.

Another amazing story, reported by Pearsall, is that of an eight-year-old girl who received the heart of a ten-year-old girl who had been murdered. After the transplant, the recipient had horrifying nightmares of a man murdering her donor. The dreams were so traumatic that psychiatric help was sought. The girl's images were so specific that the psychiatrist and the mother notified the police. According to the psychiatrist, ". . .using the description from the little girl, they found the murderer.

He was easily convicted with the evidence the patient provided. The time, weapon, place, clothes he wore, what the little girl he killed had said to him . . . everything the little heart transplant recipient had reported was completely accurate."

Although medical science is not yet ready to embrace the ideas of cellular memory, one surgeon believes there must be something to it. Mehmet Oz, MD, heart surgeon at Columbia Presbyterian Medical Center, has invited an energy healer, Julie Motz, into the operating room during transplant surgery. Initially, Motz practiced energy healing to help reduce anxiety prior to surgery and depression following surgery. Then the team noticed that there seemed to be less incidence of rejection in these patients.

They were curious to see what would happen if she were present during the operation. Motz registers, through sensations in her own body, the emotional state of the patient during the surgical procedure. Through her touch or words, Motz attempts to alleviate any worries, fears or anger the patient may be experiencing. She works with the recipient's ability to accept the new organ and also works with the donated tissue so it will accept a new body.

The results have been favorable, and the team reports reduced rejection and increased survival rates. This may sound outrageous to those who never thought about tissues having feelings or caring about where they would reside, but Dr. Oz believes that it would be a disservice to ignore even the possibility that this method could help.

More studies are being conducted with regard to the phenomenon of organ recipient and donor coincidences. Pearsall, Schwartz and Russek report that, "research is underway at the University of Arizona on a sample of more than 300 transplant patients to determine the incidence of such transcendent memory phenomena using semi-structured interviews and systematic questions."

Intriguing questions remain. What percentage of transplant recipients actually do feel changes in behavior and personality or report changes in food preference or have new memories? Is there a higher incidence of tissue or organ acceptance in those patients who are aware of their consciousness or who have energy work done? Will ordinary science offer more evidence to support that memories are transferred-or will we need a new science? Perhaps more importantly, what does this transcendent phenomenon have to tell us about other healing events?

****** A. Takeuchi, BA, PTA is a physical therapist assistant and is currently a graduate student in Holistic Health Education at John. F. Kennedy University in Orinda, California. An article about Julie Motz's energy healing work appeared in the June/July issue of San Francisco Medicine in 2000. Her book, "Hand of Life" was published by Bantam Books in 1998.

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Incredible Alan how do we start to understand such a phenomena.I did read somewhere that we might also inherit memory in our genes.Thanks Xris.
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Re: Organ transplants and cellular memories does this happen?

I read this article again Alan and im intrigued how the body and mind can be so in tune with each other.It does make you think that a healthy body can influence the mind and a healthy mind can cure us of our ailments.When a certain portion of our brain is damaged,is it possible our body can compensate for this loss.The body and mind are as one, amazing stuff ,cant wait for the outcome of the research.It will put everything we have ever thought about ourselves into doubt and each one of us will have to do some serious thinking.Thanks again Alan.
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Hi Alan,

Yes, it makes sense to me that cells have a form of consciousness since the mind seems to fill out the whole physical body. So merging one with the other, seems to me to be a reasonable outcome. We already see a more crude form of this in hybrid fruits, for example.

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Hi Alan,

Yes, it makes sense to me that cells have a form of consciousness since the mind seems to fill out the whole physical body. So merging one with the other, seems to me to be a reasonable outcome. We already see a more crude form of this in hybrid fruits, for example.

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Hi Rich and xris,

Are you guys aware of the occasional total accident spinal separation victim who learns to walk without any messages going from the brain to the legs.?

These very few remarkable injured people do not walk normally but they walk somehow, totally confounding medical science.

It makes me think of the story of the bumble bee, science calculates it is impossible for the little fat guys to fly with those tiny wings and minute muscles. But heck she does not know it is impossible for her to fly and takes off flying passed their very surprised noses of the eminent scientists

It is as if they somehow use cell memory in their legs together with an enormous will the get mobile to regain walking ability against all odds

I will check out my source and return when I find it
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Hi Rich and xris,

Are you guys aware of the occasional total accident spinal separation victim who learns to walk without any messages going from the brain to the legs.?

These very few remarkable injured people do not walk normally but they walk somehow, totally confounding medical science.

It makes me think of the story of the bumble bee, science calculates it is impossible for the little fat guys to fly with those tiny wings and minute muscles. But heck she does not know it is impossible for her to fly and takes off flying passed their very surprised noses of the eminent scientists

It is as if they somehow use cell memory in their legs together with an enormous will the get mobile to regain walking ability against all odds

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Hi Alan,

Thanks. Yes, I heard about this cases, and I also remember reading somewhere that some scientists are suggesting that the spine can think. This would not surprise me. If you can come up with any info on this, I would be very interested.

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I have been thinking how does this ,if true,change sciences view of where consciousness resides? It cant be just placed vaguely in the brain as so many of our esteemed posters claim.We appear to be a complete receptor of feelings memories and thoughts.The brain is not the only place we place our stored self.How does this knowledge change our view of dualism? if we dont reside in one place, can we say we could be anywhere?What of us do we send by touch,emotion or by birth?This new information opens up so many new debates and disputes...cant wait..
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I have been thinking how does this ,if true,change sciences view of where consciousness resides? It cant be just placed vaguely in the brain as so many of our esteemed posters claim.We appear to be a complete receptor of feelings memories and thoughts.The brain is not the only place we place our stored self.How does this knowledge change our view of dualism? if we dont reside in one place, can we say we could be anywhere?What of us do we send by touch,emotion or by birth?This new information opens up so many new debates and disputes...cant wait..
Yes, there are many incidences that happen in our lives, which seem to be unexplainable. Most people, are conditioned by social behavior and schooling, to keep these incidences to themselves. So we all walk around thinking about what is going on, but unable to talk about them. I am talking mostly about the Western world, since there is much freer discussion about these experiences in other parts of the world.

I personally haven't had any super-cataclysmic experience, but things have happened in my life, many of them witnessed by others, which are not explainable in regular ordinary terms. Jung documented many such cases in his life.

I agree, the more people begin to discuss these topics (or are permitted to discuss), the more our own consciousness of who we are should evolve. It will be interesting.

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The neurons will be firing like hell in certain posters brains.As our knowledge advances and as life's mysteries expose themselves, like some wonderful script, no one can claim they have the answer to our existance.
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The neurons will be firing like hell in certain posters brains.As our knowledge advances and as life's mysteries expose themselves, like some wonderful script, no one can claim they have the answer to our existance.
As an aside, Chinese metaphysics places the human aspects in the organs of the body. The heart contains the spirit. The liver the soul. The spleen the creative/aware mind. The lungs the physical being. And the kidneys the Will and the energy to provide direction. The brain is merely part of a nervous system that connects all of these aspects of the human being.

This metaphysical view comes as a result of thousands of years of observations of health, emotions, etc. and their connection to the human organs. It is quite interesting, and the basis for Classical Chinese Medicine. I have found it very helpful in maintaining my own health.

Just something for background in case you ever get bored and want to look elsewhere for goodies of information.

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