Terminal Illness

[William]

Rado,thanks. If you would please note a post of Salima's in the thread "consciousness is a biological..." and it might give a little clarity to what you are saying here. The mind, in fear, is open to invasion by that which is unseen. Which might be what "possession" is all about. I am not going to delve further, but it would be interesting what you think as to her perspective.

Thanks,
William

[rado]

Originally Posted by richrf

Hi,
In my experiences one is a manifestation of the other. One can have a healthy mind my eating healthy food and vice-versa.

I still eat a very healthy diet myself, basically because I'm still programmed with the beliefs that it will make me healthier, therefore I feel its the best I can do at the moment.

But basically I believe that it's our beliefs and our general mental and spiritual condition that determines both our general health condition as well as how different foods affects us. You may recall the Tibetan lama in "The Holographic Universe" who was served a huge overdose of LSD, apparently without being affected by it at all. I believe the mind has the power to make the body transform or to a more or lesser degree neutralize anything bad that it's being submitted to, even poison.

I think its a complicted question because of all the relativity involved, but to me the general rule is still mind over matter. Everything I have experienced seems to indicate that.

Originally Posted by richrf

Also, in my experiences, it is easier for people to create an overall well-being by eating healthier food and exercising, getting sun, etc. But each person is different, and some may find other practices work best for them.

I agree, but whenever people achieve the same result from doing different (sometimes completely opposite or contradictory) things there is always a common denominator that is responsible. In this case I see the common denominator as being the belief that what you're doing will make you healthier. The Placebo effect.

Originally Posted by richrf

From an external perspective, many of the people who promote solely a "mind" approach (I believe all approaches should be looked at), do not seem healthy to me.

Not many people are healthy today in general. Believing in the "mind" approach alone doesn't make you healthy, most of those people who go that way have to change a lot of beliefs in order to improve their health, and that takes time. But if you work on it, you'll get better and better at it. For example, I haven't had a cold or a flu for over 15 years now - at least not one that lasted for over an hour. As soon as I feel any symptoms I take a certain mental approach, and it's gone within in an hour, often within minutes. Anyone can do this, it's basically a matter of what you believe you can and what you believe you can't.

Rado

[richrf]

Originally Posted by rado

Anyone can do this, it's basically a matter of what you believe you can and what you believe you can't.

Rado

Hi there,

In my experiences I have not found that anyone can do this. Health, it appears to me, to be very complicated with many variables, and each person finds their own way. When a pat prescription is given and it doesn't have the desired outcome the person is lost. Better, I feel, to give the person the basic knowledge and let the person figure it out for himself/herself.

I can tell you that in my case your prescription has not had desired outcome. In my case, and others, what food is eaten is an ingredient towards good health. Now, it may be possible for someone to eat pure chemical ingredients (not food) and be able to survive using mind and thoughts, but that is not my case and I would not recommend it to anyone.

What I do recommend is that people understand the basic building blocks of life, e.g. whole food, clean air, clean water, motion, creativity, willfulness, relaxation, and then allow them to work out the way that works best for them. I personally would not feel comfortable teaching people that mind alone will overcome all lifestyle choices.

Rich

[rado]

Originally Posted by William

Rado,thanks. If you would please note a post of Salima's in the thread "consciousness is a biological..." and it might give a little clarity to what you are saying here. The mind, in fear, is open to invasion by that which is unseen. Which might be what "possession" is all about. I am not going to delve further, but it would be interesting what you think as to her perspective.

Thanks,
William

I'm not sure exactly what post of hers you are refering to?

Rado

[rado]

Originally Posted by richrf

Hi there,

In my experiences I have not found that anyone can do this. Health, it appears to me, to be very complicated with many variables, and each person finds their own way. When a pat prescription is given and it doesn't have the desired outcome the person is lost. Better, I feel, to give the person the basic knowledge and let the person figure it out for himself/herself.
Rich

Well what I meant was that everyone has the potential to be able to heal themselves by the power of their mind, just like everyone has the potential to be able to read. But you have to learn to use that potential before you can read or heal yourself, of course.

I agree that we're all on different paths and that that which works for one person may not work for another, and that we should choose that which we feel aligned with or believe most in - even if it's surgery, chemical medicine or radiation therapy. For that is generally what will work best for us.

But I also believe that no matter what path we're on it will eventually, in this life or another, lead us the understanding that the mind is the ultimate healer, and that all the external remedies we're using are just some kind of symbolic tools that we project the healing power of our minds onto so that they appear to do the healing. While in reality it's just our belief that we'll get well again that heals us, notwithstanding the method. That is why it is important to choose the method we believe most in will heal us.

Rado

[richrf]

Hi,

Thanks for the reply.

My viewpoint extends to the idea that physical tools are extensions of our mind and that other minds (individuals) that are out there might be able to assist in the process. Ultimately, a consensus is formed which hopefully leads to better health.

Rich

[rado]

Originally Posted by richrf

My viewpoint extends to the idea that physical tools are extensions of our mind and that other minds (individuals) that are out there might be able to assist in the process. Ultimately, a consensus is formed which hopefully leads to better health.

Rich

Okay, then I think we basically perceive things much the same way. I just feel that the ultimate goal is to be independent of external assistance. But until that goal is reached we will be dependent on such assistance yes.

My own interaction with the external assistance in its different forms was what eventually opened my eyes to the fact that the healing power is in ourself, and that we can be in control of our own fate in all aspects of life if we want to. I was searching for the supreme healing method and wanted to understand everything about sickness and health, and so the higher forces lead me through those experiences that was necessary to reach that goal. The assistance sort of changed form as I went along until it became assistance in learning how to become independent of assistance, so to speak. Just like when you raise a child.

I did not expect or want (at least not consciously) to become independent of external assistance regarding my own health, it just ended up being the natural and logical outcome of the process, as things evolved. I'm not "there" yet, there's still some way to go and some things to learn and understand, but it seems clear to me now that it's the goal. A natural part of human evolution.

Rado

[richrf]

Hi,

Thanks for your further explanation.

Rich

[rado]

Originally Posted by richrf

Hi,

Thanks for your further explanation.

Rich

Your welcome!

Rado

[William]

Originally Posted by rado

I'm not sure exactly what post of hers you are refering to?

Rado

It is the 97th post in the "Consciousness is a Biological Problem"

William

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This is such a fascinating thread. I agree with both of you and how each of your minds process knowledge and information. I believe we are all about "mind". It is IMO the key that will, in and of itself, unlock so many doors for each and every one of use once we stop "taxing" it, so to speak. In researching Nassim Haramein's "new" theories on physics and the unified field theory and espousing there is not such thing as "the smallest, or the largest as reaching "infinity" in either direction, it assumes there is no "invisible" universe or vacuum, so to speak. It is all about complimentary action and stillness which could be applied to the mind in it's most "at ease state" as it, in an of itself process the known and seen universe and complies with it either positively or negatively. It is our responsibility to insure the ease of that "mind" of all people that will allow reciprocal communication between each and every one of us to insure complimentary action. Please understand I am but a neophyte as it relates to all of the exciting understanding of what this man has theorized, but it is indeed much food for thought.

William