Know Thyself?

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

I figure it like this, the actual pursuit of enlightment is counterproductive, methodical pursuit of enlightenment is putting your own ego above that of the Universe/God/Whatever, and you therefore lack the required humility to be enlightened.

So I'm guessing is solipsism right out the window for you.

[GoshisDead]

Its not that I don't find it possible, I just refuse to accept that I'm that boring.

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

Its not that I don't find it possible, I just refuse to accept that I'm that boring.

I have to reject the idea of solipsism because there is no way in hell that I will ever believe that my consciousness would ever have allowed plaid shorts and Old Navy stores to come into existence.

[kennethamy]

Originally Posted by richrf

From my point of view, I think that everyone seeks in their own way to learn things that they would like to learn. It is all OK with me, though what I have learned may be different from what others have learned or are learning. We are all in different places at different times. We can all learn from each other - in fact I think that is the reason we are all here.

Rich

If what you have "learned" is false, or is meaningless, you have learned nothing. You only believed you learned.

[Khethil]

Originally Posted by kennethamy

If what you have "learned" is false, or is meaningless, you have learned nothing. You only believed you learned.

If I could chime in here. Kenn, you're absolutely correct; that being said....

... if we maintain this view about all things in our existence, faith in our senses and and ability to reach any conclusion loses all validity. I think the relational - that's just what you believe - sentiment is virtually beyond dispute. I also think it's a self-destructive way to view the world when taken to the extreme.

The best application of the truth Kenn's talking about - I think - is to temper our egos into softening hard-line views (especially). It's an aspect of that knowing yourself process that's meant to mitigate the self, not decimate all prospect of knowledge.

... at least that's how I view it - thanks.

[richrf]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

I have to reject the idea of solipsism because there is no way in hell that I will ever believe that my consciousness would ever have allowed plaid shorts and Old Navy stores to come into existence.

But you participated and influences by shopping there.

Rich

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by richrf

But you participated and influences by shopping there.

Rich

This sentence does not make sense grammatically. Your tenses are mixed.
Be that as it may, I have never, not once, shopped at Old Navy.
I suspect, however, that you may be a wearer of plaid shorts.
But, as you often say, that's okay, because everyone is different.

[richrf]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

This sentence does not make sense grammatically. Your tenses are mixed.
Be that as it may, I have never, not once, shopped at Old Navy.
I suspect, however, that you may be a wearer of plaid shorts.
But, as you often say, that's okay, because everyone is different.

Well, you are certainly helping them out by advertising their presence and what they are selling. Who knows, you may be directly involved in thousands of sales of plaid shorts simply be advertising their availability on this forum. From this point on, you are permanently entangled with the sales of plaid shorts at Old Navy. Congratulations!

Rich

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Originally Posted by kennethamy

If what you have "learned" is false, or is meaningless, you have learned nothing. You only believed you learned.

Nothing I learn is true or false. It just IS, until I learn something different.

Rich

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by richrf

From this point on, you are permanently entangled with the sales of plaid shorts at Old Navy. Congratulations!

I suppose that would be preferable to being physically entangled in plaid shorts themselves which would be a good deal more bodily awkward than the purely mental entanglement of which you speak.

[NoOne]

Well, I would assume that if one claims to know themselves, they would be willing to share that information. I mean, since man is man, if even one man knew what they were, and were gifted with the craft of language, they could then inform the world what they all were, and why, etc. This person could outline the principles of morality and justince, etc. etc.

So, gifted one, share with us, what are you? Become the benifactor that man has long sought.