Philosophy Forum  
Home Register Forums Blogs Videos FAQ Social Groups Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Philosophy Forum > Philosophy Forums > Branches of Philosophy > Metaphysics


Metaphysics Thread, Do you want to be immortal? in Branches of Philosophy; Immortality? But why? Life is so short-lived and and we in point of fact choose to be immortal. We are ...


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
  #1  
Old 07-25-2009, 08:27 AM
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: kathmandu
Posts: 8
Thanks: 0
Thanked 7 Times in 4 Posts
Rep Power: 0
haribol acharya is on a distinguished road
Do you want to be immortal?

Immortality? But why? Life is so short-lived and and we in point of fact choose to be immortal. We are not fully satisfied the amount of life we have. We want more of it and part with everything and everyone unsatisfied.

And we will remain completely un-satiated even after a lot of consumption and this is the tragedy of life.

There is void within us, and that void is so awfully wide and it cannot be fulfilled easily in point of fact.

And we want to be immortal but the paradox of life is such that afterward again we become tired of life.

All I feel is what have is enough and to want more of life to the extent that we can keep ourselves is something that leads us to an abysmal gulf of woes.

The right way is to be satisfied with what we have in life. The middle path of the Buddha is somewhat oriented to this way of life.
Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to haribol acharya For This Useful Post:

  #2  
Old 07-25-2009, 08:33 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: cornwall england
Posts: 4,908
Thanks: 952
Thanked 755 Times in 640 Posts
Rep Power: 13
xris is a splendid one to beholdxris is a splendid one to beholdxris is a splendid one to beholdxris is a splendid one to beholdxris is a splendid one to beholdxris is a splendid one to beholdxris is a splendid one to behold
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

Contentment is hard to realise if your aims are grounded in purely material objectives.Leaving loves ones is never easy but then would we have prefered never to have loved.We have our time and we should be satisfied,with luck there maybe more.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 07-25-2009, 09:08 AM
de_budding's Avatar
Waterbender

 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Posts: 485
Thanks: 187
Thanked 148 Times in 108 Posts
Rep Power: 3
de_budding has a spectacular aura aboutde_budding has a spectacular aura about
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

At the moment, on my summer holidays, I don't feel like I could get tired of life. Given that my girlfriend could be immortal too and people kept writing books, I think I could go for a little immortality. Would I have to keep working though?
Dan.
__________________
Thanks for reading.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 07-25-2009, 12:31 PM
rhinogrey's Avatar
information junkie
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: California
Posts: 230
Thanks: 48
Thanked 74 Times in 53 Posts
Rep Power: 2
rhinogrey will become famous soon enough
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

Immortality was at one point in time, historically speaking, an idea reserved for nature and celestial bodies. Most mythologies, including current Christian mythological texts, revolve around the connection between astrological motion and nature (plants, animals, healing compounds, etc.).

Before the advent of the Neolithic Revolution, man stood in awe of nature and of what he saw as the stolid and unmoving Will of Nature. Man saw his own Will as subservient, weaker, more fleeting than Nature's. As such, all gods were designed as animistic, or perceived as disembodied "energies" which could account for/explain the various forces of nature man encountered.

Returning now to the previously mentioned Neolithic Revolution: Man domesticates plants and animals, and we see one of the biggest steps in man's voyage toward attaining the Godhead. He is able to use his Intellect to 'conquer' Nature's Will and thus he projects himself into the spiritual realm. We now see the advent of anthropomorphic polytheism, wherein the forces of nature are personified as dancing deities with human characteristics. Man recasts himself as god and the roles are reversed.

Thus, mortality is a gate that *can* be opened by human hands. Power is consolidated in the halls of the dead. The very first class distinction is between mortals/immortals. Those who give over the experience of the spiritual realm to the "superhhumans" become subservient to their spiritual knowledge and a lineage of inequality and class society begins.

Today, power is consolidated in the economy/resources. Class is entirely based upon money, but the concept is the same. The dread has been shifted and the immortal rise through the stock market.
__________________
In the land of the jesters, the Dunce is king
Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to rhinogrey For This Useful Post:
  #5  
Old 07-27-2009, 02:35 AM
Inactive or Banned
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Any where but here
Posts: 77
Thanks: 2
Thanked 10 Times in 9 Posts
Rep Power: 0
Paracelsus is on a distinguished road
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

I dont think I would enjoy it personally, after all what would your life be reduced too and how over crowded would the planet be or are we talking about a post physical state of immortality.

Which brings me to raise the point if we are immortal and exist in Heaven once the physical body is gone. How old would I be? Would my heavenly body be the age of which I died? Is age a factor? Would I still have to shave? Would I still wear glasses? And what would I wear? Prada? Armani? Or would we all be reduced to wearing white flowing robes?

From a theological perspective this is a serious question, just ask a Mormon!
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 07-28-2009, 10:48 AM
pagan's Avatar
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: uk south
Posts: 392
Thanks: 69
Thanked 172 Times in 133 Posts
Rep Power: 2
pagan has a spectacular aura aboutpagan has a spectacular aura about
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

i wouldn't want to be immortal unless the world had a perfect anesthetic on hand at all times, and everyone else was immortal so that i wouldn't suffer grief through death. Otherwise i might be very tempted to give it a go .... if the devil offered it to me
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 07-31-2009, 05:51 PM
Joshy's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: UK
Posts: 42
Thanks: 14
Thanked 18 Times in 12 Posts
Rep Power: 2
Joshy is on a distinguished road
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

I think to really be able to answer this question, or even just to understand the reasoning behind the answers that some may give, you really need to consider personal interpretation of 'immortal'.

Okay, so to put it simply, immortality is living forever, right? However, to be able to achieve this, humans must overcome the main causes of death: ageing, disease, and trauma.

Therefore, when looking into immortality a bit deeper, and perhaps considering individual views, it would more than likely be a very different case to wanting to life forever.

I, personally, would not want to live forever, and cannot really understand why anybody would wish to live on for eternity. From this simple perspective, I suppose you could say that my answer to the initial question is 'No' - I don't want to be immortal.

However, if you then consider the more serious side of mortality, then the view shifts considerably. Many people are scared of death. Is that a good enough reason to want to be immortal? Many people do not want to have to endure pain and suffering. Is that a good enough reason to want to be immortal? Many people do not want to see the people they love in pain, or suffering. Is that a good enough reason to want to be immortal?

I think that the last point is the most striking, as, although less personal, I believe that it would be relevant to the vast largest group of people. This is intriguing because it could easily be classed as selflessness, something which seems to be disappearing, at least in Western society.
Overall, however, there are therefore three reasons that I can see for one to want to be immortal:

  1. Because they don't want to die.
  2. Because they don't want to endure pain and suffering.
  3. Because they do not want those they love to endure pain and suffering because of their own mortality i.e. due to them falling ill or dying.
This raises quite an interesting quetion, and one that I think is worth asking:

Is to be offered immortality, yet decline it, selfish?
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 07-31-2009, 06:02 PM
Senior Member

 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: New York State
Posts: 8,070
Thanks: 175
Thanked 907 Times in 771 Posts
Rep Power: 20
kennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to beholdkennethamy is a splendid one to behold
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

Quote:
Originally Posted by haribol acharya View Post
Immortality? But why? Life is so short-lived and and we in point of fact choose to be immortal. We are not fully satisfied the amount of life we have. We want more of it and part with everything and everyone unsatisfied.

And we will remain completely un-satiated even after a lot of consumption and this is the tragedy of life.

There is void within us, and that void is so awfully wide and it cannot be fulfilled easily in point of fact.

And we want to be immortal but the paradox of life is such that afterward again we become tired of life.

All I feel is what have is enough and to want more of life to the extent that we can keep ourselves is something that leads us to an abysmal gulf of woes.

The right way is to be satisfied with what we have in life. The middle path of the Buddha is somewhat oriented to this way of life.
Damn. I misread you, and thought the question was, do I want to be immoral. I got all excited, and thought you had a way of being even more immoral than I am. I was so disappointed! My fault, I guess.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 07-31-2009, 09:02 PM
hammersklavier's Avatar
Feral
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: Philly PA USA
Posts: 283
Thanks: 122
Thanked 104 Times in 83 Posts
Rep Power: 3
hammersklavier will become famous soon enoughhammersklavier will become famous soon enough
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

But what kind of immortality do you mean? The immortality of Achilles or the immortality of Avalokita? The immortality of the immortal song, the tale, the memory, or the immortality of perfect peace?
__________________
Gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 07-31-2009, 10:32 PM
sarathustrah's Avatar
Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: michigan
Posts: 140
Thanks: 29
Thanked 44 Times in 32 Posts
Blog Entries: 7
Rep Power: 2
sarathustrah will become famous soon enough
Re: Do you want to be immortal?

yeah... it would be specifically different... depending on the situation... whats the limitations and side effects...

do you still need sleep? do you still feel hunger?

if i were immortal and cast out into space would it be a painful eternity?

if my body were chopped up in pieces and scattered... am i still conscious?

no no... despite the many circumstances i think of..... losing the people around me is the least of possible problems... think more long term.... what about when the sun dies, as all suns eventually do... what then...

i would decline... i dont even think prolonged life is approvable... i think it is more towards the selfish side to live forever... besided who knows whats next... a better dimension? are you afraid of hell or what? na... ill pass. our time here should rightfully be limited... the way we live is not the best possible way... we need to move aside so the next generation has there turn at a life.
__________________
- x - X - Thus Spoke Sarathustrah - X - x -
Reply With Quote
The following users say: THANK YOU - sarathustrah for the above post!
Reply

Bookmarks


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -4. The time now is 08:47 AM.


vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
SEO by vBSEO 3.3.1
Copyright 2006-2010 PhilosophyForum.com