Before you read the thread, I would like you to view this short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjd-Kvq5UmU

I find it extremely disturbing. The fact he relishes the thought of people who do not practice his religion to the word burning in Hell is shocking. It is morally disgusting. And yet he seems to think he is righteous. This the first example of why I think human society is morally twisted.

Here is the second:
When I was about ten years old, I was watching kids TV and turned over to channel 5 where the news was on. On which they showed the execution of hundreds of prisoners in China. I found it extremely disturbing. This is what annoys me, they will show footage of death any time of the day, and yet they will not allow swearing or nudity until after nine o'clock. As children we are much more likely to see people dying in cowboy films before we see nudity or sex, and doesn't that seem twisted to you? We see our own nudity everyday, our natural selves, sex is the bringer of life, it's fun, it's beautiful, and swearing is just words, words that if we use enough will eventually become meaningless, and so fall out of use. Death on the other hand is the ultimate darkness, the ultimate reason for depression, the point of fear, the greatest bane of life.

What are your thoughts on this?

Before you read the thread, I would like you to view this short video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjd-Kvq5UmU


I find it extremely disturbing. The fact he relishes the thought of people who do not practice his religion to the word burning in Hell is shocking. It is morally disgusting. And yet he seems to think he is righteous. This the first example of why I think human society is morally twisted.

Here is the second:
When I was about ten years old, I was watching kids TV and turned over to channel 5 where the news was on. On which they showed the execution of hundreds of prisoners in China. I found it extremely disturbing. This is what annoys me, they will show footage of death any time of the day, and yet they will not allow swearing or nudity until after nine o'clock. As children we are much more likely to see people dying in cowboy films before we see nudity or sex, and doesn't that seem twisted to you? We see our own nudity everyday, our natural selves, sex is the bringer of life, it's fun, it's beautiful, and swearing is just words, words that if we use enough will eventually become meaningless, and so fall out of use. Death on the other hand is the ultimate darkness, the ultimate reason for depression, the point of fear, the greatest bane of life.

What are your thoughts on this?

They start on them when they are very young, the drip drip effect of fervent indoctrination is tantamount to child abuse.

Society has been sculptured to fit the ideology of the dogmatic faithful where its better to watch violent death than be debauched by scenes of humans making love.

Even though there are many such children echoing the anti-scientism and closed-mindedness of some religious sects (and not just religious sects, for that matter) repeating what they have heard over and over again---almost by rote---when they mature and if they receive an education their opinions change.

Moral values are not denied by seeing a loving act, its more destructive to our societies to see constant images of violence than non pornographic images of love. Im not condoning porn but it has less danger than violence. If violence was condemning with the same vigour I would possibly agree with you.

Even though there are many such children echoing the anti-scientism and closed-mindedness of some religious sects (and not just religious sects, for that matter) repeating what they have heard over and over again---almost by rote---when they mature and if they receive an education their opinions change.

Xris...Each are forms of violence... Are you asking me to say one form of violence is acceptable and another is not??? No... They are the same thing with a slightly different form... If it were not possible, or acceptible to see others as objects upon which we can demonstrate our will, neither form of violence would be possible....

The facts are, which I will stand by, is that economic injustice always leads to sexual injustice, and if it were not found necessary to apply some minimum standards to it, it would extend even to children... Look at how closely sexual immorality followed slavery... Humanity was cheap..Life was cheap, and sexuality was cheap... The daughters of the poor in the Roman Empire were easily made prostitutes, and their sons had more value as eunichs then as men... What change was made by Christianity since it did nothing to correct injustice???Frankish Europe, Christian, and technically always in conflict with Muslim Spain made an industry of castrating poor German boys to serve the Harems of Spain... Was it not sexual injustice???Was it not violence??? Does the fact that it all came out of unjustice, that one person refused to give to another, that was blessed by the religion which was the highest moral force make it one bit better??? Injustice is legal... All manor of injustice, even illegal injustice will follow....

You know that sculpture would be considered porn even today; and I like Rodin, and have read of him and of his work...I have seen one of the originals of the Thinker, which may be no more than fourteen inches tall, and the Burghers... I have seen a lot of porn in art museums, which only points out the fact that the bourgeoise who were responsible for the great economic changes from the English revolution to the present day were no more moral than the nobility of France...They democratized immorality, but the freedom we celebrate is the freedom to see our daughters turned to demivirges...Sluts by another name...

You have made your views very clear, I do not see porn when you might. You make much of this subject but then dont mention the violence we see constantly. Your bias is towards condemning the view of sex in society,with little concern for the violence. If we saw as much sex as we do violence , the excessive violence, that has become a norm in comparison to sex, we would have Roman orgies displayed daily. Its not that porn is acceptable, its the acceptance of violence as opposed to sex scenes that I find nonsense.

Violence is never shown that it is not justified... Who do you think it is being justified against???Most of our violence that is not news is police comedies, and there, great pains are taken to show the violence of the crriminal to justify his violent end...Well; just ask for your rights some day and see how fast you join the ranks of the criminal... Any one who challenges the established order is a criminal... The rich are inclined to look for sex as a commodity because they look at all things, and every need as a commodity...It does not cheapen most things to be had as a commodity... Once fresh air and water was free, and even the price of sunshine could be afforded before sunscreen...If something is necessary, but plentiful it will be bought up cheaply to control its price...Labor is different because the more you buy the less you need, so a job becomes a means of seeing who will survive from the perspective of the owners... Well; it is the same thing with sexual exploitation...Women denied real employment lined up for jobs as prostitutes...It is an exchange of forms of labor; but not of condition...They are still slaves...

You just dont get it , do you? Your narrow view of the extremes of sexual exploitation appear to give you the right to deny any sexual scenes. So when youtube allow executions to be viewed but not a womens body you find that acceptable?

We should not allow the exploitation of women, because the result is to justify all injustice toward women...

Now; people should be forced to see violence if it is thought to be the result of injustice... Lots of pornographers and their legions should be forced to defend the whole process before a jury...Did anyone participate out of duress...Were drugs and drugging or drug addiction any part of the process... Were any safe guards put in place to prevent children being subjected to it...The thing is that it is vice, and not virtue and everyone knows it...Everyone knows it is dangerous because of the possibility of disease, and psychologically dangerous because it is intimacy is an emotional minefield...

In your example; no one should be alllowed to become numb to violence because it is so common...Yet acts of injustice and their inevitable results should be exposed... Socrates was thought to say that there would be justice in Athens when those not injured by injustice are as indignant as those who are... Some times those who suffer injustice are dead, or numb to it, and for that reason more able to pass it on...Every injustice is a crime against society, and ultimtely, against humanty...Yet, all we need to do is not support it, and discourage it...Justice is between two people, sometimes between two who never even meet... That is true of all relationships; but we cannot be a witness to injustice without becoming a party to it... We make the cause of the injured our own, and try to settle the issue to satisfaction, or we enjoy and encourage the destruction of human relationships...Sex without love is not different from any other sort of violence...The injury is ours...

What ever gave you the idea that morals are logical...They are anything but...

If you show me two consenting adults, acting not under some compulsion, or worse, out of some perversion, who actually want to be seen like two monkeys in a zoo bumpin the uglies, and I still would not support it because it cheapens that act for those who do not want to see humans acting as monkeys, or to see themselves in that fashion...Love does not need an audience, and lust always craves one...

You just dont get it do you? the comparisons are not what I have stated. Answer my question about youtube, please.

Before you read the thread, I would like you to view this short video:

I find it extremely disturbing. The fact he relishes the thought of people who do not practice his religion to the word burning in Hell is shocking. It is morally disgusting. And yet he seems to think he is righteous. This the first example of why I think human society is morally twisted.

Here is the second:
When I was about ten years old, I was watching kids TV and turned over to channel 5 where the news was on. On which they showed the execution of hundreds of prisoners in China. I found it extremely disturbing.

This is what annoys me, they will show footage of death any time of the day,. and yet they will not allow swearing or nudity until after nine o'clock.

As children we are much more likely to see people dying in cowboy films before we see nudity or sex, and doesn't that seem twisted to you?

We see our own nudity everyday, our natural selves,

sex is the bringer of life,

it's fun, it's beautiful,

and swearing is just words, words that if we use enough will eventually become meaningless, and so fall out of use.

Death on the other hand is the ultimate darkness, the ultimate reason for depression, the point of fear, the greatest bane of life.

What are your thoughts on this?

Making available to some people any example of human suffering or death is only feeding the most prurient qualities of the people... Youth, in particular, is a time frought with dreams, fears, frustrations, expectations and failures...Such people do not need violence justified, nor sexuality, since they are part and parcel of the same anxiety about the future...I have no cure for those people except growth and time... So; some people should not be allowed access to scenes of violence which they will take pleasure in; and others who would as soon deny that violence and injustice are occuring should be subjected to such scenes... No injustice would be possible were it not for the willing blindness of otherwise moral people...

Yes; to the sensitive, and the sympathetic, such scenes cannot be viewed without pain... Well; youth seeks out such scenes to become numb to their own pain, so they can become calloused to their own mortality, and to their own undeniable place in this country and world as victims... I want people outraged, and it is not a feeling people seek out willingly...I don't either; but knowing injustice is occuring whether I witness it or not, the sense of outrage is an undercurrent in my life...