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I believe that 9/11 was just a huge set up by the American government just to make an excuse for the people of the United States to go to war against Iraq and other countries in the middle east. They didn't actually find any weapons of mass destruction anyways. They just wanted the oil.

Besides how can a plane even take down a tower of that size anyways. Then the other tower just happens to fall as well. Also the pentagon was claimed to be hit by an airplane but there was no sign of a crash anywhere.

Also this isn't the only time the American government has done this to its own people. Back when pearl harbour happened the Austrailians had warned the U.S. that there were Japanese bombers heading towards hawaii. Of course though the U.S. government lets pearl harbour get bombed so that the citizens of the U.S. will want to go to war.
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I believe that 9/11 was just a huge set up by the American government just to make an excuse for the people of the United States to go to war against Iraq and other countries in the middle east. They didn't actually find any weapons of mass destruction anyways. They just wanted the oil.
What a good job we have done getting that oil. Look at how much oil independence we have gained by this strategy. Are you aware that we have vast stores of oil n the American midwest in the for m of oil shale? Oil Shale Reserves - A Daily Reckoning White Paper Report The oil companies can orchastrate a war dispite their inability to drill in Anwar or even in international waters?! Thats right, they are barred by the U.S. government from drilling in international waters.

The weapons of mass destruction were the supposed justification, however, Saddam was still in hot water from the Gulf War and had, in actuality, violated U.S. terms for a peace treaty. The American planes in Iraq were shot at numerous times preceeding the attack while enforcing the anti fly zones in place to stop Saddam from testing chemical and biological warfare. In an earlier era the Iraqis would have been irradicated simply for this. Consider how Reagan might have delt with it, not to condone his methods neccessarily, just as an illustrative.
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Besides how can a plane even take down a tower of that size anyways. Then the other tower just happens to fall as well. Also the pentagon was claimed to be hit by an airplane but there was no sign of a crash anywhere.
It might be related to the fact that critical information of the structural integrity of the tower was released during the first bombing in the 90's. The towers had a structural weakness which was pointed out by the engineers promptly after the first attack, stating that if they really wanted to take out the towers, they should have attacked here, here or here essentially. You have been looking at 9/11 truth for a little too long.
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Also this isn't the only time the American government has done this to its own people. Back when pearl harbour happened the Austrailians had warned the U.S. that there were Japanese bombers heading towards hawaii. Of course though the U.S. government lets pearl harbour get bombed so that the citizens of the U.S. will want to go to war.
World war II was a far more worthy cause than the Iraq war, and I would say that that action was justified, a bit machivellian but drastic times call for drastic measures. That being said, I disagree that this attack was orchestrated and there are many cogent refutations of this sort of pattern finding. The method used in these theoires is in no way sicentific; innumerable theories can be drawn with the right set of evidence, so long as you disclude all other evidence.
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Re: 9/11

It take less than 10 minutes for those jet fighter to have intercepted that plane instead they were blackmailed.
Also the way that the structure fell indicates that there would of had to be some sort of explosive device that would take down the towers.
For the record if the pentagon was hit by a plane as well which is what the bush administration said where was the damaged plane. According to the bush administration the plane disintigrated during the collision. Ofcourse that is scientifically impossible for a plane made of very thick steel to do so.
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It take less than 10 minutes for those jet fighter to have intercepted that plane instead they were blackmailed.
Also the way that the structure fell indicates that there would of had to be some sort of explosive device that would take down the towers.
For the record if the pentagon was hit by a plane as well which is what the bush administration said where was the damaged plane. According to the bush administration the plane disintigrated during the collision. Ofcourse that is scientifically impossible for a plane made of very thick steel to do so.
Planes are not made of very thick steel, they are made of very thin aluminum. Disintegration is quite possible for very thin aluminum. Check it out. One of the planes was a Boeing 767, the United airlines flight 175. Is it not possible that the explosive fuel could cause somthing like that expolsion by the way?
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Yes but the engines are made up of 6 tonnes each of steel and titanium. Now that is scientifically impossible to have been vaporized by jet fuel. Besides there was no evidence that there could have been jet fuel near the pentagon.
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Re: 9/11

ever see that episode of south park about the urinal thing

(i dont know what happened with 911 but i agree it doesnt add up... i mean we didnt go to war like this when they bombed the towers the first time in 1993 wasnt it, its our own fault for not knowin it was comin... but still... we didnt find out about these weapons until after the bombing? really? all of a sudden we care? i dunno... we have weapons of mass destruction but you dont see us gettin invaded and havin them takin away :P but the terrorist demands are for us to stop interfering with them... well thats what we demanded when we broke independent from Britain... i could really rant about this stuff for forever :P )

but that south park episode... proposes that the 911 conspiracy websites are run by our government cause they want us to think they are all knowing and all powerful, but couldnt really pull something like that off :P so the 911 conspiracy is a government conspiracy!!!
its a funny episode, but thats not what i believe or nothin
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Re: 9/11

Well the most conclusive evidence seems to be the titanium chem here. That certainly doesn't add up. Evidence and the situation with the security tapes certainly suggests it was a cruise missile that hit the pentagon. And why lie and say it was an airplane.

But Zetetic is right that there is no need to go to war for the oil. And I see the Federal Reserve being tied to the Bush Administration, not just Saudi Arabia's connections. Maybe the USA is just in the middle east to keep Russia out of there.
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And I see the Federal Reserve being tied to the Bush Administration, not just Saudi Arabia's connections.
The Fed has been around for a very long time, and predates not only the Bush administration, but Bush's birth. Predates his daddy's birth.

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Maybe the USA is just in the middle east to keep Russia out of there.
That's a huge part of it. And China, too. Wars are fought, generally, for economic reasons, fought for money.
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Re: 9/11

I believe they did indeed find wreckage at ground zero by the way, though it is bizzare that any partial bodies were at all preserved considering the intensity of the flames. There were several sets of parial remains of flight attendents including one specimen which still had the flight wings attached to their blue top.
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There is no way though that bodies could have survived. The only thing that would have survived then of course were the engines. Although there was no sign of any engines.
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