9/11

xris · #71 07-18-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by salima

my opinion is that it could have been a conspiracy.

my reasons for having that opinion is that such things (meaning sacrificing human beings and generating a state of fear for political agendas) are being done and have been done in the past in usa and other countries as well. it is easy to fool people when they are afraid and when they are even more afraid of what it would mean if they found out they couldnt trust those people who they feel are running the show. it simply does not sound at all unbelievable to me.

but i have no conclusion as to whether there was a conspiracy or not.

however, i did have a gut feeling that i will never forget on the day it happened. i was at work in the office that day, and suddenly someone turned on their radio (which wasnt allowed) and the reporter was going on about what had happened-people started to get up out of their seats and walk towards the sound, all of us in a sort of dream sequence, robotic mechanical way, and i felt like i was going into shock. the first thing that came to my mind was that it was done by the government. they needed a scapegoat and something to pin on him...actually i forgot about it afterwards for quite a few years until i heard people starting to say they doubted that all the truth had come out, talk was circulating around the messageboards, and one thing led to another.

but i cant trust my gut feelings-i have known them to be wrong.

BUT you are fueling a modern myth with no reasonable reason,you are ignoring the facts and reacting to some innate desire to believe something that logically is impossible.This is gossip and gossip can be very harmful.

salima · #72 07-20-2009, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Theaetetus

Well, no matter what explanation you buy into, they are all conspiracies. The thing that baffles me is that people can easily belief that the attacks could have pulled off by a handful of terrorists, but could not be pulled off by a handful of higher ups in the U.S. government/Pentagon. My best guess is that a handful of corrupt neo-cons conspired with Bin Laden and some of his cohorts. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz are three of the most evil men in modern history and it would not surprise me in the least if they were involved in making sure the attacks went off.

i do agree with you about those people you mention, though i hesitate to use the word evil. in my own way i would have said 'reprehensible, dishonest, cold-blooded' and numerous terms for which there are not enough characters alloted in this reply.

but i dont believe bin laden would have conspired with anyone from america. and if you remember it was a long time before he even took responsibility for the deaths. i wondered about that, because it seemed to me that it would have been a 'feather in his cap'...(and i do regret not being able to think of a better way of saying what i mean than a silly out of date cliche.) i also wondered why he later chose to break his silence.

pagan · #73 07-20-2009, 12:58 PM

yes, the problem with being in the position of not believing powerful people of authority is that it leaves a terrible vacuum over something of the magnitude and horror of 9/11. And thus awful speculation as to what did happen. Even to the point of trying to get into the minds of the likes of bin laden. It is a very uncomfortable and scary experience.

Not least because it is eminently reasonable to recognise politics as a dirty business, where lies and half truths and exagerrations and ommissions are standard procedures out of necessity. By that i mean that any politician who adopted the position of telling the truth and the whole truth wouldn't last 5 minutes. The machine of politics itself would quickly kick them out.

further, most if not all of us, have and will experience in our places of work the practice of management keeping things secret and telling lies, particularily before radical change in the organisation and running of the business. This is very common and lets face it often understandable out of a greater necessity. I read the phrase 'out of a greater necessity' with a deep sense of worry when trying to understand 9/11 and the bush administration.

..... but it doesn't necessarily have to be evil. consider the following from wikepedia as at least a theoretical possibility....

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In his 1974 book The Ultra Secret, Group Captain F. W. Winterbotham asserted that the British government had advance warning of the attack from Ultra: intercepted German radio messages encrypted with the Enigma cipher machine and decoded by British cryptanalysts at Bletchley Park. He further claimed that Winston Churchill ordered that no defensive measures should be taken to protect Coventry, lest the Germans suspect that their cipher had been broken.

..... unfortunately i dont get the Winstone Churchill vibe from Bush and his cohorts.