what is so hard to believe about a government killing 3000 of their own citizens? they do it all the time when they send them to war for political and monetary reasons, and give them toys to play with like agent orange, dont they? and why is this any less believable or acceptable than the idea of killing civilians and calling it 'collateral damage'? what about sending mercenaries to other countries and assassinating leaders in order to make it easier to dominate the playing field?

it happens all over the world-what happened in tianamen square, what is happening today in iran. they are more overt, that is all-some governments find more sophisticated and subtle ways to accomplish their goals.

and as far as the idea that enough convinced citizens couldnt be found to go along with this kind of plan, how do you explain bush getting elected for a second term? that to me is beyond belief, way above any conspiracy theory i have ever heard. ordinary people can be grouped in a herd and controlled by anyone who knows how to push the right buttons to scare them enough.

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"The idea is to die young as late as possible."....Ashley Montagu

So you all agree that the Bush administration was capable of organising hundreds of secret service personel, with the possibility that a few of them had relatives working in the towers,in planting bombs prior to the planes hitting the towers and knowing precisely the location and time of the impacts?You also believe after all this time not one of those hundreds of agents by the guilt of his actions has compelled him to speak out?
I can imagine organising one lone gunman but the extent this intrigue had to extend to is beyond my comprehension.

i am sure the big B himself wasnt smart enough to organize anything, but whoever is behind him and was pulling the strings could. i have no idea how it was done or who did it, but i think i havent heard any theories yet that arent possible.

when i think about all the things that the government has done in the past that i never knew was happening and no one would have believed was possible at the time-and how easy it was to hide. i remember being a teen-ager just out of high school and my father telling me one day rather offhandedly that the japanese lady who worked in their shop had been in a concentration camp in america during world war ii. i couldnt believe my ears- did i miss something in my history books? (she wasnt a spy by the way, nor anyone in her family-just a quiet person who never broke any laws.) there were concentration camps in america for american citizens of japanese descent? then later i heard the actor who played the part of charlie chan in the movies saying " i am chinese-they made me wear a badge that read 'i am chinese' so i wouldnt be mistaken for the enemy." an american citizen, a hollywood actor!

i still dont know the extent of the truth of what was done in world war ii. but there isnt much i wouldnt believe is possible...

i would like to think that it is getting harder to hide things all the time, in part because of the internet. i dont think secrets are going to be as easy to keep going forward. but people have to start looking really hard to find out what is exactly going on...

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"The idea is to die young as late as possible."....Ashley Montagu

Every country has its awful episodes of treating its inhabitants as lesser mortals,look at Iran at the moment,but that does not give you any reason or any certainty in your views that Bush gave the order to allow 3000 of his citizens to be murderd.With that bizarre reasoning you could conclude almost anything and some do.We must deal in facts not supposition built on vague stories about past horrors.

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Originally Posted by xris Every country has its awful episodes of treating its inhabitants as lesser mortals,look at Iran at the moment,but that does not give you any reason or any certainty in your views that Bush gave the order to allow 3000 of his citizens to be murderd.With that bizarre reasoning you could conclude almost anything and some do.We must deal in facts not supposition built on vague stories about past horrors.

no, xris-i never said i believe bush gave the order. and i dont have any conclusions. i only said based partly on past horrors i dont find it difficult to believe most conspiracy theories are possible. and did you see that i mentioned iran as well as china?

"I can imagine organising one lone gunman but the extent this intrigue had to extend to is beyond my comprehension."............xris

you said it was beyond your comprehension-it is not beyond mine.

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"The idea is to die young as late as possible."....Ashley Montagu

So what do you comprehend might have happened ?you are playing the myth maker,the teller of outrageous possibilities.

no i am not-i am only telling you my opinion that what you have labeled as 'outrageous possibilities' dont seem outrageous to me. i cant dismiss them.

what i do comprehend is that i do not know what happened, and i am not sure i will ever know. i think anyone dedicated to finding out the truth for himself would probably have to devote his whole life to it. it wont be me.

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"The idea is to die young as late as possible."....Ashley Montagu

So what is your opinion?either you have a reason for your opinion or it is just a gut feeling?

my opinion is that it could have been a conspiracy.

my reasons for having that opinion is that such things (meaning sacrificing human beings and generating a state of fear for political agendas) are being done and have been done in the past in usa and other countries as well. it is easy to fool people when they are afraid and when they are even more afraid of what it would mean if they found out they couldnt trust those people who they feel are running the show. it simply does not sound at all unbelievable to me.

but i have no conclusion as to whether there was a conspiracy or not.

however, i did have a gut feeling that i will never forget on the day it happened. i was at work in the office that day, and suddenly someone turned on their radio (which wasnt allowed) and the reporter was going on about what had happened-people started to get up out of their seats and walk towards the sound, all of us in a sort of dream sequence, robotic mechanical way, and i felt like i was going into shock. the first thing that came to my mind was that it was done by the government. they needed a scapegoat and something to pin on him...actually i forgot about it afterwards for quite a few years until i heard people starting to say they doubted that all the truth had come out, talk was circulating around the messageboards, and one thing led to another.

but i cant trust my gut feelings-i have known them to be wrong.

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"The idea is to die young as late as possible."....Ashley Montagu

Well, no matter what explanation you buy into, they are all conspiracies. The thing that baffles me is that people can easily belief that the attacks could have pulled off by a handful of terrorists, but could not be pulled off by a handful of higher ups in the U.S. government/Pentagon. My best guess is that a handful of corrupt neo-cons conspired with Bin Laden and some of his cohorts. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz are three of the most evil men in modern history and it would not surprise me in the least if they were involved in making sure the attacks went off.

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