hi Caroline

.... yeh its a horrible thought. I can only say that it is fear and a sense of hopelessness that stops me from reacting. For example i could never convince my mother and family to believe it. They wouldnt even watch a video of WT7 collapsing let alone think about its implications. Just ordinary folk. And if ordinary folk dont show an interest now, then how will they react if it does become common knowledge? As Theaetetus says, i too believe those consequences may be even more horrific.

I suppose it comes down to our perceptions of humanity. Its a fact that a very small percentage of people who have access to philosophy forums would ever give the slightest thought to participating in one. About as rare as bungee jumping junkies. ........ And that fact is at the very heart of the dilemma. There is a decided lack of individual thinkers in humanity.

So you could say they murdered 3,000 people. What is the world coming to.

what a load of rubbish, how many persons would have to be privy to this charade?hundreds yes hundreds of US government employees all ready to murder their fellow citizens for Bush and his cronnies.I cant honestly believe that so many intelligent people could even consider such a conspiracy.The towers are known to be of a completely different construction than any other building that has suffered such a fire.What bombs? ive never heard of bombs being found ,whats the source?
If we where going to have a conspiracy it would have been weapons of mass destruction in Iraq.How easy would it have been to plant chemical or biological weapons in iraq but strangely it was not even considered.Sorry folks but its another fanatasy that has grown and grown the more it is retold.

Well, one thing is know, the Bush Administration chose not to hear the warnings from the FBI. That is just as bad as actually carrying out the attacks. The Bush administration was warned that something was coming, and they ignored the warnings. Just watch the countless Richard Clarke interviews, and you will see what I am talking about.

The U.S. government has a history of killing millions of innocent people or supporting leaders that do (e.g. East Timor, Latin America, Iraq). What is the difference between that and allowing 3000 innocent Americans to die?

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with all due respect xris i very specifically referred to WT7 not the twin towers. Moreover if a few terrorists can keep a secret from hundreds of officials, then why not another group?

With regard to governments killing hundreds, thousands and even millions of its citizens....... well there are many historical precedents. Many ordinary german citizens could not believe that the jews were being gassed. Many communists could not believe that Stalin was a tyrant and that decent people were being shipped off to labour camps where many died. Aleksandr Isayevich Solzhenitsyn wrote that there were many in the camps themselves that could not believe their beloved communist government to be corrupt. ...........They would rather believe an unfortunate error had been made.

Here is the footage of the OK City news coverage the day of the Oklahoma City bombing.

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Being inept is not the same as being a mass murderer.So the warnings where given, did Bush give instructions for them to be ignored and did they ask why?How many do you think where involved in this conspiracy? Yes they have been guilty of murder but that does not prove your conspiracy.Richard makes a good living out of this.

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Once again, quoting history does not conclude that this was a conspiracy.So your argument is that Americans,hundreds of them can keep their mouths shut and kill thousands of their fellow citizens in cold blood?and never ever break rank for the horror or the enormity of their act?sorry its not credible.

I am not saying that I believe in the conspiracy, and I am not trying to prove anything. I am saying that the Bush administration played a role in the attacks by ignoring warnings. Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, and Paul Wolfowitz are three of the biggest scumbags to walk the planet--much less have as much power as they did. Even if they had absolutely nothing to do with it, they sure took advantage of the fear that the event caused, and seized as much power as they possibly could. Hell, they tried to justify the Iraq War by connecting Osama bin Laden to Saddam Hussein and they were know enemies of one another.

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so whats your point the question at the end?where are the bombs, is that it?

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then we agree with each other,thanks xris..

i would never claim such a thing. But if i couldn't find examples then your case is much stronger.

Maybe. But lets not forget the distinct possibility that people will do the most horrible things when told to by authority. Recently the famous pyschological experiment of the 70's (you do as you are told - horizon original, more recently witnessed by the ex tory MP micheal portillo in a programme on human violence) was re-enacted whereby people were asked to administer life threatening electric shocks to people simply for getting a test question incorrect. The results and video are very very frightening. I suggest from your belief system that you do not watch it. It is quite simply scary as hell what ordinary people will do just because someone in authority tells them to. (probably on you tube somewhere)

....... and if they can do that then i am sure they are capable of keeping their mouths shut. On top of that you have the distinct fear that breaking ranks isnt going to do you or your loved ones any favours.

Seriously though ..... i am not trying to be persuasive. I wish i didnt believe this stuff. I just wanted to see if anyone else here shared my concerns.