McCain doesn't look good, in fact he looks delusional. But that's not my point. My point is that even if he's elected you can't make the case that it's a totalitarian system, because his administration will be much different than Bush's (even if technically many political stances are the same). Totalitarianism doesn't end with 4 year election cycles.

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"How you get so big eating food of this kind?" -Yoda

Totalitarian movements don't have to come from governments.

Then which totalitarian movement were you referring to a few posts ago, if it's not the executive branch of the US government, namely the Bush administration and the CIA (which is part of the executive branch of government).

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"How you get so big eating food of this kind?" -Yoda

We're a good ways away from a totalitarian regime, but the clouds are getting dark. Even Obama jumped sides and voted to give the NSA surveillance powers.

I'm aware that wiretapping is not new. The Huston Plan, one of the great gifts to the American public on behalf of the Nixon administration, allowed for unwarranted wiretapping and gave the government the ability to burglarize citizens homes, essentially at will.

If you watched the RNC you witnessed the insane nationalism. The seeds of nationalism and an extreme, populist ideology to back it up tend to yield a nasty fruit. Take a pound of "Nation First", marinade in Christian fundamentalism, slap that on the grill of war and.... well, I'm too afraid to bite. I'll be in Canada. Sounds like they can hardly hold a government together. My kind of place.

Lies are a political trademark, but today's electorate is so blind and brainwashed that no one notices the increasingly outrageous remarks, especially the Republican, Rove inspired, talking points. By the way, Rove pupils are running McCain's campaign and Rove himself admits to being regularly contacted by McCain lackeys for guidance.

McCain doesn't scare me. He's old and, as Aedes says, probably delusional. My grandparents are that way - I understand. Palin, on the other hand, is absolutely terrifying. If McCain wins, she's next in line for the GOP.

Then we get into law. John Yoo comes to mind - see the Patriot Act, Unitary Executive theory. Who ever wins this election will most certainly appoint two, and maybe even three, new Supreme Court Justices. If those new justices are conservatives we can expect decades of draconian decisions. I would feel a little more comfortable knowing they will at least let us keep the guns, but my shotgun is no use against a tank - and that's what the guns are for, so that we the people can stand up to the government as needed. The Second Amendment is obsolete. Canada sounds nice, or maybe I could teach English in the east.

all,

I don't know about 9/11? But if you're looking for huge conpiracies what about Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae?

We had a bank called 'Northern Rock' go bust about a year ago and the government stepped in to prop it up.

It ended up costing the tax payer about 40 billion to keep a bank in business - the shareholders lost all thier money, but those who owed the bank could just keep right on paying thier mortgages.

Different story when a company goes bust owing you money/or your pension. They don't step in to make sure you get paid, but when the boot's on the other foot...the little guy still get's kicked in the asre.

iconoclast.

"Besides how can a plane even take down a tower of that size anyways?"

A great question...

There is only one way a single plane could hit a tower that size and bring it down in the way how it fell.

The key to how it fell is not really known to the public, I call it the "Accordion Effect" once the plane had hit the tower the "Core" was open, and the "Core" is a shaft that gose from top to bottom of the tower( And at the bottom there are fans that prevent stail air and moisture in the core), and is filled with the tower's main steel support's coated with anti-flame foam...

So everyone know's that the fire could not get hot enuf to melt the steel and create a pool of melted steel that was reported to be found in the debre, and also the foam prevent's that, even without the foam the fuel could not create a temp to melt the steel.

Well the only way for the fire to get hot enuf to melt the steel within the core, is for the fire to be fueled by high amount's of oxygen...

So how could high amount's of oxygen fuel the fire in the core?

Well... I call it the accordion effect, since once the plane had opened a hole into the core from the out side, that allowed high amount's of air to be s**ked down the core and fuel the flame's which would cause the temp of the fire to be higher than the melting point of steel, once a few of the support's began to melt (which caused the slight tilt in the tower as it fell so thats the side where the first few steel supports began to melt) it drop's the floor's above it down onto the floor bellow it, so how do you play an accordion?...

Once the floor's fell onto another it just blew more air to fuel the fire which sent a fire so hot down the core that it melted the bolt's on the top floor's which allowed more floors to fall, once about 18-21 floor's have done this the amount of "accordion effect" would be so great that the fire would melt the steel&bolt's and blow everything out of the window's in a back draft effect as it all shot down the core... Once at the half way point the fire would lose alot of the accordion effect and the wieght of gravity would break all the bolt's in the support's from then on...

Sadly, the year before hacker's and stolen the design spec's so they knew it was best for them not to hit the tower down low (Like they anyone els would if they didnt know that an accordion effect could be created down the core and bring down the hole tower with a single plane...) so they hit the tower's up high...

So when you say "how can a plane even take down a tower of that size anyways?" A plane cannot, but jet fuel, fuel by high amount's of oxygen fueling the jet fuel can create the temp that is needed to melt steel. (O and since only the top 21 floor's where effected by the vibration's of the impact of the plane which flaked off the protective foam on the support's only those floor's support's where melted... (Allso there is footage of the hole where the plane hit before it started to fall, and you could see the floor above geting sucked down and back, and smoke around the hole getting sucked in and down.)

So, even with this know, people's spectulations and theories will still be out there floating like a un-wanted turd in a pool

So to recap the reason's why the tower's fell how they did was due to the core's design, the vibration from the impact, gravity, oxygen, jet fuel, and the accordion effect, and the high location of the impact.

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Totalitarian society if happened in US would come to Canada quickly too. And did you hear about how in Sydney there is surveillance via satellites that allows for viewing homes and seeing objects from as small as 10cm by 10cm.

Um.. to simply put it

The plane hit's the tower, the shockwave ripel's through the support's and flake's off the insulation above and bellow the impact, the jet fuel start's to burn the office's, the heat start's to rise and so dose the flame's, the steel support's above the impact start to welt and bend which cause's un-equal distrabution of wieght on the bolt's and therefore the bolts on one side snap, which cause's the half above the impact to have a tilt in it as it falls, once the half above the impact fall's to the point of impact the smoke from the fire bellow get's blown out of the window's and up out of the floor's above in a spiral motion while sucking air throught it's middle, and the amount and speed of the air flow is increased when the floor's above the impact collapse onto one another, which allow the jet fuel to melt the un-insulated steel support's bellow the impact spot equaly for the floor's bellow the impact spot to drop evenly onto the floor's support's bellow it that still have insulation, once the floor's that have had there supports melted drop onto the floor's bellow them, they snap the bolt's of the insulated steel support's due to much wieght on them, which then each floor falls onto one another with no tilt.

So that is one way that could prove where the melted steel came from, and the tilt of the top half above the impact spot as it fell, and the seemly no tilt in the tower bellow the impact spot as it fell, which made it seem like a controled DEM.

So this is one point of view that would support how such could happen by a single plane and the law's of physic's.

(*note to prove, one must be able to show that the core that absorb's earthqwakes vibration's and wind, would absorbe the force from the impact of the air plane.)
(*note to prove, one must be able to show that the force from an plane could flake off the insulation that was used in the tower's)
(*note to prove, one must be able to show that the amount of jet fuel, paper, desks, computers, printers, ect, and large amount's of flowing air into the fire could create a temp that would melt steel without insulation, or the bolt's that hold the steel to one another)

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Okay aedes you say that these people are stupid

i have to quote alex jones

"you think people in caves did this" ?

i think i would be beneficial for you to observe some of the changes in political ideologist in the neo-liberal(neoconservative) schools have said


just look at the title of samuel hunningtons book

(clash of civilization) 1996

it was about islamic world vs western world



---------this is proof in the academic field-----------------


if you haven't watched zeitgeist watch it

read noam chomskys book "HEGEMONY OR SURVIVAL"

btw if your already hatein on chomsky your nuts

he is the 8th most cited scholar

Just beware of philosopher's that make book's, for they have sold there self to the way's of humanity....and therefore they have an angenda that is not of your own, but to profit from your short comming's...

If they truly wanted to tell the world, they would just use the internet.

So therefore it's clear that book maker's intention's are not as pure as the philosopher that willingly give's away his/her's life work, just to inform and share one's own philosophy...

"Pride, and fame, is there game..."

Both and more I will never seek...

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