You can all go to this website to find out that the cia actually openly admitted that there was no such thing as Al Qaeda and that 9/11 was a hoax.

C.I.A. no al-qaeda ever existed - BBC documentary "the power of nightmares" | polidics.com

Its nice link but it still doesn't prove that 911 was a set up by America even though there is no doubt in my mind that it was.

You'll have to compile a lot of facts to make Zetetic believe that.

I don't think that you could have seen that documentary in 15 minutes because I posted this 15 minutes ago.

im gonna have to watch that tomorrow... its close to bedtime for me right now...

but you guys see that clip where bush says something like the hardest part of my job is connecting alqaeda to iraq

and what about our whole reason for declaring the invasion on iraq? as ron paul says... im all about defending our country from terrorists... (though theres no MORAL justification for war) but still... we stopped pursuing the real terrorists and started trying to tell iraq the best way to run their country... and what about osama... as if gettin saddam was good enough...

and i know alot of people who just got sent on tours over to iraq... cause i play games with alot of army people over xbox live... yet on yahoo news it says bush is bringin home troops lol... i dunno its weird... are people just ending their tours and bein replaced or are people goin over there for a couple months and thats it... i dunno... im tired and rambling :P

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And the fact that it was witnessed live by millions of people in New York City. My good friend who worked at Columbia Presbyterian Hospital, MILES uptown from there, watched it from the roof of the hospital.

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Aedes, Are you in disbelief of the whole plot?!

And astro I saw that BBC news a while ago, before you posted it.

What whole plot, that the Bush administration or CIA somehow staged it?

They can't get together and tie their shoes. You honestly think that the Bush administration is competent enough organize and execute something like this, especially after being in office for only 7 months? Nonsense. Even disregarding the absurdity of such a conspiracy theory (given the number of violent acts from Muslim extremists directed at Americans going back to Lebanon and Iran), I don't have the slightest belief that the Bush administration would be capable of such a thing. There have been PLENTY of disgruntled, disaffected people within their administration to leave, point fingers, call names, blow whistles since then. Much as they've tried the Bush administration has not been able to keep secrets at all. All they can do is keep enough secret to keep themselves mostly out of courtrooms. I know so many people who live in New York City who watched the damned thing happen in front of their eyes. And my mother-in-law, who is president of the National Air Disaster Alliance, knows so much stuff about how this would missed by the Bush admin. that your head would spin if you heard it all.

These conspiracy theories deserve a hefty dose of Haldol. Just because the Bush administration has politically profited from 9/11 (including tactlessly) doesn't mean that they had anything to do with it happening (other than missing it from sheer blind buffoonery and incompetence).

I don't believe everything I read or hear, I'm a hater of the Bush administration, and I'm not a blind patriot. But I've lived most of my life outside of NYC, and I believe the personal accounts of friends and relatives in NYC who witnessed the events and others who have investigated these very events; certainly more than I believe conspiracy theories that are just meant to legitimize antiamericanism.

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Well I think the CIA is too.

Do you at least see a totalitarian threat?

Unless you feel otherwise.

The same CIA that has been openly infighting, bickering, and falling on its own sword since 9/11/01 for botching it? The same CIA whose recently "retired" director George Tenet has published a book pointing fingers and making enemies? The same CIA that was looking into WMDs in Iraq, that can't find the world's most wanted man, and that has led to a complete misunderstanding by the US of almost every adversarial country in the world since the end of the Cold War? Doubt it -- the CIA is no more competent than the Bush administration, and it's probably worse given that they have far less public accountability.

That's a wild exaggeration of what's happened during every war in the USA for the last 200+ years. During the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Korea, there was just as much and often more seizure of executive power than there has been now. And we haven't become a totalitarian state yet. If Bush is still in office next February, then I'll revise my statement.

I think policy-wise McCain is indeed not far from Bush, but at the same time he is definitely not "in" on it -- he and Bush despise each other, they have for the last 8 years, and even though he'll never get my vote I do believe that McCain is openly opposed to any "totalitarian" movement.

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This is one of the few topics me and my dad agree on.

Though I have to agree it sounds absurd, a little. Maybe Bush is there because he's an idiot. And McCain is purposely against Bush.

But wasn't it you who said a while ago that once we get over the fact that the candidates don't tell the truth 100% before elected then it is all about the party. He is still a republican. He is just trying to show some differences from Obama.

Who knows, perhaps the presidents are not even aware of any plots, they may not even be involved fully.

Have you ever went into deep thought about the structure of society, social interaction on different levels. Have you even compared yourself from a human being to that of a snail.

Snails do not build upon their gain on other snails. They do not think that way. Based on their behaviour, or contemplation, they probably are self centered on instinctual goals, without fluctuation of their race.

And yes the same CIA. And about the way the war is going... surely it would be prudent to listen to the Iraqis, the public, about getting out. It seems that democracy has been engulfed in corporations and therefore the people themselves. What glory is there when we are much the same. We create such corporations, and businesses, and now we support Obama to raise the amount of income tax they oughta pay. But when people become business owners it gets flipped around. Suddenly McCain is looking good. Such hollow truth. Yet hypocrisy lurks everywhere like some split personality driving the one being to neglect the benevolence in denying the pursuit of ego.