The Existance of .. Nothing

[boagie]

Fido,

Losing me, not at all, in mythology it is like you are the still point of the earth, the axis------the axismundi, meaning the still point axis, and the samsara--which is the whirlwind, the still point of consciousness, the motion the whirlwind of the world. Sounds a little odd but, its the centre, like Nietzsche's rolling from the centre, if you do not have that orientation, you certainly cannot be that wheel which then rolls from its centre -orientation. Just a slight change in medications why do you ask??

[Fido]

You can make some argument that North and South exist because we associate them with natural phenomenon. East and West are handy for orientation, but it is only from our perspective, the only perspective that is not always changing, that East and West have meaning. Isn't that what people have always done, mark the progress of the seasons with stone calenders, and astral observatories to give to fleeting impression some fixed perspective?

[boagie]

Fido,

Excellent Fido, looks like there is much more to this than first glance would have it. If you were walking the full circumference of the earth, would it matter if you were walking clockwise or counter clockwise if you were walking west, and at what point would it become east that you are walking. At any rate it is a useful concept, I never really thought about how really weird the concept is. Your last statement, quite insightful, everything is fleeting I suppose. Even left and right have to be taught to us, in some cultural sistutations I do not imagine the need for the concept of left and right would be of a necessity. What is it they say, the world is not as strange as you can imagine, it is stranger than you can imagine.

[No0ne]

Originally Posted by Fido

You can make some argument that North and South exist because we associate them with natural phenomenon. East and West are handy for orientation, but it is only from our perspective, the only perspective that is not always changing, that East and West have meaning. Isn't that what people have always done, mark the progress of the seasons with stone calenders, and astral observatories to give to fleeting impression some fixed perspective?

This can be seen in space as well, there is no up down left and right or north west east south unless you say there is, therefore there is, hence such thing's as that only exist because "you" or "another" say's they do, therefore you make them have an existence...


You could see it as human's making lable's for the system of are existence.

Tool's must be labled to share them with other's...

(hence such concept's are mearly tool's to share perception)
(yet every tool has a purpose and an oppisite purpose to it)

[Mephistopheles]

Originally Posted by Paradox1

Guys, this is one thing I've been thinking of for quite a while. Is there such thing as "Nothing"?

By nothing I don't mean "My coffee! It's gone! There's nothing left!", I mean .. Is there, somewhere, a place or location or whatever that is completely devoid of EVERYTHING, including the "building blocks" of life?

Give your ideas people.

I know this OP isn't around anymore, but his quesiton deserves the merit of a response.

Yes, there is such a place where nothing exists, not even existence or thought. Death. The place we came from and the place we will all go, like a sad sort of Hades without anything there to begin with.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by No0ne

This can be seen in space as well, there is no up down left and right or north west east south unless you say there is, therefore there is, hence such thing's as that only exist because "you" or "another" say's they do, therefore you make them have an existence...


You could see it as human's making lable's for the system of are existence.

Tool's must be labled to share them with other's...

(hence such concept's are mearly tool's to share perception)
(yet every tool has a purpose and an oppisite purpose to it)

Not to say I disagree with your conclusions, but there is some physical quality associated with north and south, as the rotation of the earth, and the magnetic poles of the earth, and that it is North and South as opposites which give East and West their meaning, because from our perspective, on a flat earth, we need to orient ourselves. With moral opposites we orient ourselves in regard to others without a true physical reference point, which often means that we have found a very undistiguishing point by which to distinguish ourselves. If we talk about people we should first realize that we are not opposite to each other, and that word labels like good and bad, white or black, right or left, wrong or right, all serve to alienate each from the other, and should be used sparingly if at all. People are people and we all have similar if not identical needs. Some have different abilities, but geniuses are as common as idiots, so we should all try to get by and help each other. imo. Thanks

[GoshisDead]

Meph:

Yes, there is such a place where nothing exists, not even existence or thought. Death. The place we came from and the place we will all go, like a sad sort of Hades without anything there to begin with.

This implies that the rest of the world does not go on once we die, or that there is only not-nothing because we percieve it.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

Meph:

This implies that the rest of the world does not go on once we die, or that there is only not-nothing because we percieve it.

From the point of view of the living, death is both the end of life and of meaning. What then does it matter if life goes on for the living, and what does it mean if it does? Absolutly nothing, because sans life is sans everything.

[GoshisDead]

Fido:
Just attempting to clarify whether he was talking about objective or subjective nothing.

[OntheWindowStand]

If we are talking physically nothing then yes that is a easy question. nothing is right outside our atmosphere onlything there are forms of enerygy no matter at all though