The Existance of .. Nothing

[Fido]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

Our Buddy Webster Defines Inifinite: Pronunciation: \ˈin-fə-nət\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English infinit, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin infinitus, from in- + finitus finite Date: 14th century 1: extending indefinitely : endless <infinite space>2: immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive : inexhaustible <infinite patience>3: subject to no limitation or external determination4 a: extending beyond, lying beyond, or being greater than any preassigned finite value however large <infinite number of positive numbers> b: extending to infinity <infinite plane surface> c: characterized by an infinite number of elements or terms <an infinite set> <an infinite series>
— in·fi·nite·ly adverb
— in·fi·nite·ness noun

one does not need to be able to count objects to understand the definition of infinite.

If you cannot produce one as an object you have a handful of wind. As Kant might say: all we have is finite knowledge. Since we connot know infinites we cannot de fin e them.

[Kat]

"Nothing" is a seven letter word that describes something or lack of something that most english speaking people recognize and understand. Even if there was such a thing as nothing, it stopped being 'nothing' when the word was given its meaning.


Sorry to be so simplistic but it is an answer to the question (just not a very good answer)

[Fido]

Originally Posted by Kat

"Nothing" is a seven letter word that describes something or lack of something that most english speaking people recognize and understand. Even if there was such a thing as nothing, it stopped being 'nothing' when the word was given its meaning.


Sorry to be so simplistic but it is an answer to the question (just not a very good answer)

Nothing has no being, so it is entirely meaning, but meaning cannot give being. Perhaps the majority of our lives is given to the nothings of morality. Justice is a nothing, and so is peace, and freedom and truth. These moral nothings do not work for humanity because of what they are, but because of the meaning we attach to them. thanks

[GoshisDead]

Meaning is being in a certain sense. there is no such physical entity as a One Eyed One Horned FLying Purple People Eater, but it is not nothing.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

Meaning is being in a certain sense.

Not. Meaning without being is as if being, and it is from the store house of meaning which is each individual life that we give to no being its meaning.

[Holiday20310401]

Originally Posted by Fido

If you cannot produce one as an object you have a handful of wind. As Kant might say: all we have is finite knowledge. Since we connot know infinites we cannot de fin e them.

I meant that one can't just grasp infinite; infinite things, concepts, everything, as if able to conceive every finite thing inside at once.
Sure, you can conceive the word infinite because it is creating simplicity.

[No0ne]

Originally Posted by Fido

If you cannot produce one as an object you have a handful of wind. As Kant might say: all we have is finite knowledge. Since we connot know infinites we cannot de fin e them.

If you know what there not, then you also know what they are...

For if you make a list of what is defined as finite thought, for all that is left is what would be defined as infinit thought...

Therefore you find the oppisite or an absolute oppisite within a infinity that is within another infinity that is a infinty.

So two absolute oppisite infinity's within a "true infinity"

The true infinity would have the thought's that we cant think, like making a new line formation that dosnt exist in are pre setup existence...So "true infinity" isnt in work as we think now, for if it did we would be in utter chao's, for we would exist in the state we are in now, then we would not exist in the state we are in now, and they both would applie at the same time, hence the fact that it would be in true infinity for them to applie at the same time, and for them not to applie at the same time, but at the same time... (SEE TRUE CHAOS IS TRUE INFINITY)...

So that's why we all live in a fixed infinty... where the two absolute oppisite line's that create all conflicting absolute oppisite line's are taken out.

This way you could say that all thing's are at one with one another, and coinside with all matter and all thought within one collective omnipresent system that is all matter and all thought... (yet for such, to be as is, one must have one to coinside with)

So... in a finite existence there are only oppisite's which coinside with one another within a omnipresent system that can be said to be the function's of all thing's and chararistic's of all thing's (color's line formation's ect) basicly the program to are existence.

Which lead's to the thought of a creation of a finite list, that tell's what we can and cannot do physicaly and mentaly, and doing so would uncover the programming to this system's we call are existence, once that's done you would know what finite is completly, therefore you could define what a "true infinit" existence is, for it would act the oppisite of are own, and would not, and would...so on and so on..(hence your keyboard would be a bomb, then it would turn back into a keyboard, a true conflict of what is what...

Nothingness, is an absolute oppisite of Somthingness

So we cannot picture what they are or relate somthing to them from are existence, for the fact that they are only concept's of thought in are existence.(like a computer which was made from are image..we can only think what we where designed/made to think)--(hence a create of somthing from a nothingness aka a finite existence created from an True infinity existence)

We got nothing and somthing...

And nothing normaly turn's out to be somthing... mainly because oppisite's coinside with one another, and could be said to be at one with one another.

Well I did not say this existence is what it is, and therefore made this existence what this existence is...

That would be another that can lay claim to the creation of this existence... But I can claim to be the first to point these thing's out

eh...why dose no one know why there dosnt need to be a why?

In Fin It Y there dosnt need to be a why, and that's why

[Fido]

Originally Posted by No0ne

If you know what there not, then you also know what they are...

For if you make a list of what is defined as finite thought, for all that is left is what would be defined as infinit thought...

Therefore you find the oppisite or an absolute oppisite within a infinity that is within another infinity that is a infinty.

So two absolute oppisite infinity's within a "true infinity"

The true infinity would have the thought's that we cant think, like making a new line formation that dosnt exist in are pre setup existence...So "true infinity" isnt in work as we think now, for if it did we would be in utter chao's, for we would exist in the state we are in now, then we would not exist in the state we are in now, and they both would applie at the same time, hence the fact that it would be in true infinity for them to applie at the same time, and for them not to applie at the same time, but at the same time... (SEE TRUE CHAOS IS TRUE INFINITY)...

So that's why we all live in a fixed infinty... where the two absolute oppisite line's that create all conflicting absolute oppisite line's are taken out.

This way you could say that all thing's are at one with one another, and coinside with all matter and all thought within one collective omnipresent system that is all matter and all thought... (yet for such, to be as is, one must have one to coinside with)

So... in a finite existence there are only oppisite's which coinside with one another within a omnipresent system that can be said to be the function's of all thing's and chararistic's of all thing's (color's line formation's ect) basicly the program to are existence.

Which lead's to the thought of a creation of a finite list, that tell's what we can and cannot do physicaly and mentaly, and doing so would uncover the programming to this system's we call are existence, once that's done you would know what finite is completly, therefore you could define what a "true infinit" existence is, for it would act the oppisite of are own, and would not, and would...so on and so on..(hence your keyboard would be a bomb, then it would turn back into a keyboard, a true conflict of what is what...

Nothingness, is an absolute oppisite of Somthingness

So we cannot picture what they are or relate somthing to them from are existence, for the fact that they are only concept's of thought in are existence.(like a computer which was made from are image..we can only think what we where designed/made to think)--(hence a create of somthing from a nothingness aka a finite existence created from an True infinity existence)

We got nothing and somthing...

And nothing normaly turn's out to be somthing... mainly because oppisite's coinside with one another, and could be said to be at one with one another.

Well I did not say this existence is what it is, and therefore made this existence what this existence is...

That would be another that can lay claim to the creation of this existence... But I can claim to be the first to point these thing's out

eh...why dose no one know why there dosnt need to be a why?

In Fin It Y there dosnt need to be a why, and that's why

Enough wind to fill the Michilin Man. You can propose the opposite of a known quality once you know it. When you know a thing you can propose a no-thing. The thing in itself is the thing, and were it not an object, and finite it could not be defined, but an opposite object, if there is such a thing, has its own being, and is not dependent upon another object for definition. North is the opposite of South, and since North and South actually designate a certain place, or destination it has a certain reality to it. East and West do not designate any certain place, but a direction relative to an arbitrarily fixed point. East and West have no being, but only a certain socially accepted meaning.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Fido

Enough wind to fill the Michilin Man. You can propose the opposite of a known quality once you know it. When you know a thing you can propose a no-thing. The thing in itself is the thing, and were it not an object, and finite it could not be defined, but an opposite object, if there is such a thing, has its own being, and is not dependent upon another object for definition. North is the opposite of South, and since North and South actually designate a certain place, or destination it has a certain reality to it. East and West do not designate any certain place, but a direction relative to an arbitrarily fixed point. East and West have no being, but only a certain socially accepted meaning.

Fido,

East and west do have meaning and the point of origin of that meaning is just where you are standing. East and west is an orientation to your own experience and like everything else it is biologically deteremined. All meaning, all knowing is biologically based. This may simply be underlining what you have already stated above, but it does give a little extra clearity.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by boagie

Fido,

East and west do have meaning and the point of origin of that meaning is just where you are standing. East and west is an orientation to your own experience and like everything else it is biologically deteremined. All meaning, all knowing is biologically based. This may simply be underlining what you have already stated above, but it does give a little extra clearity.

Yes, East and West have meaning only compared to some fixed object, or person. Since East is the same as West, so that a person oriented to a fixed point can designate both directions to the same point. Imagine any fixed point, and from there one can bisect any other point on the earth by pointing in opposite directions at some mark on compass. For a person on the North pole, every point leads South. Between North and South every zeneth has its nadir. Am I losing you.