The Existance of .. Nothing

[GoshisDead]

If there were a nothing it would necessarily be undefined, as the way human systems of reference work is that something perceived or imagined has in some sense a definition. Because we have defined nothing, nothing cannot exist. Nothing to be nothing would have to be something that has no possibility of being defined, which kinda screws us knowing about nothing because we couldn't without defining it.

An P.S. to whoever was speaking about meditation. The goal "nothingess" meditations is not so much thinking of nothing, but it is not thinking of anything in specific. Thought is inevitable, however one can train the mind not to give value of any kind to thoughts while meditating

[Fido]

Originally Posted by the thinker

Nothing would be the opposite of everything, wouldn't it? Not that that's any help...definining everything is just as hard as defining nothing...

No; less is the opposite of more. If you want to understand nothing as a mathematical fiction to make equasions actually work, then nothing is zero. To understand nothing as a reality, it is space occupied by very little, perhaps nothing we would consider as matter, perhaps neutrinos which could govern the movement and behavior of all matter. Since nothing can never be concieved of without reference to the thing, it is the thing under consideration that defines the no-thing. If a penny is the thing, then the removal of that penny leaves nothing. It is not a nothing in reality, but a nothing in context.

[Fido]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

If there were a nothing it would necessarily be undefined, as the way human systems of reference work is that something perceived or imagined has in some sense a definition. Because we have defined nothing, nothing cannot exist. Nothing to be nothing would have to be something that has no possibility of being defined, which kinda screws us knowing about nothing because we couldn't without defining it.

An P.S. to whoever was speaking about meditation. The goal "nothingess" meditations is not so much thinking of nothing, but it is not thinking of anything in specific. Thought is inevitable, however one can train the mind not to give value of any kind to thoughts while meditating

Infinites cannot be defined, but they can be symbolized, which is what a zero is: a space without content.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Paradox1

Guys, this is one thing I've been thinking of for quite a while. Is there such thing as "Nothing"?

By nothing I don't mean "My coffee! It's gone! There's nothing left!", I mean .. Is there, somewhere, a place or location or whatever that is completely devoid of EVERYTHING, including the "building blocks" of life? Give your ideas people.

Paradox,

For starters existence and nothingness create an oxy moron, Conjoining contradictory terms (as in 'deafening silence') in order to find no place where nothing might belong, it would of necessity contain nothing this no place, thus, there would be nothing to cognitively process, so, it would have no reality. I am going back to my room now!!

[GoshisDead]

The concept of infinite is defined

[Fido]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

The concept of infinite is defined

Then it must be proved. Where is the proof?

[GoshisDead]

A definition has no need of proof it is simply reference tool

[Fido]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

A definition has no need of proof it is simply reference tool

Bulllllshet. If you do not have your infinite as a finite object, it cannot even be defined, but only theorized. Look at the end (fin) in your words. They are logical even if you are not.

[GoshisDead]

Our Buddy Webster Defines Inifinite: Pronunciation: \ˈin-fə-nət\ Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English infinit, from Anglo-French or Latin; Anglo-French, from Latin infinitus, from in- + finitus finite Date: 14th century 1: extending indefinitely : endless <infinite space>2: immeasurably or inconceivably great or extensive : inexhaustible <infinite patience>3: subject to no limitation or external determination4 a: extending beyond, lying beyond, or being greater than any preassigned finite value however large <infinite number of positive numbers> b: extending to infinity <infinite plane surface> c: characterized by an infinite number of elements or terms <an infinite set> <an infinite series>
— in·fi·nite·ly adverb
— in·fi·nite·ness noun

one does not need to be able to count objects to understand the definition of infinite.

[Holiday20310401]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

A definition has no need of proof it is simply reference tool

Sorry, but a definition needs proof that the definition correlates to the meaning, duh.
I do believe that the universe is infinite but the concept not within one's grasp to comprehend.