Punk Music

[philosopherqueen]

Is punk really punk? When it surfaced big with The Sex Pistols to today.

[Aristoddler]

Punk is about non conformity.
Punk today is about as non conformist as a catholic school boy uniform.

I spit on todays' punks. They probably would get offended by it, but that's what punk really is...not giving a ****, and not caring who does.

[philosopherqueen]

Today's punk aren't really punk!!! To tell you the truth punk was onnlly formed to sell clothes. If you don't know the story I recommend that you watch The great Rock N Roll Swindle.

Punk reformed away from this with music that is loud fast and angry. They were like the rage against the machine. They don't care and they want to get all the frustration of the week out. Tell me the truth haven't you ever wanted to scream so loud that everyone hears you because the world just isn't nice? Everyone does, but not all do it. The Punks wanted to and didn't care what people thought of them.

Now today Punk music has transformed. It has melody now, if you take the time to listen to it. Green day for example came out as punk but has gradually turned into a really mellow punk.

Main stream punk isn't the real punk, you only experience the real punk if you look for it. Some people I can understand why they don't like it. To tell you the truth, I don't like it unless I'm in this DOWN WITH THE MAN mood. lol!!!

[urangutan]

Funny you should say it like that Philosopher Queen. I should have grown up a punk but hit the weed, got lazy and grew up a hippie. Weird as it may seem my taste in music is still punk but not in the form of the Sex Pistols. Neil Young was punk, though he wrote a lot of ballads, his sound was punk. The Pistols were pop, not unlike Billy Idol. True punks would find it hard to seperate themselves from true goths or revolutionists (not protestors), hence hippies and punks are idealist but only one of them are to out of it to act on it.

[thethirdman]

The Pistols were as manufactured as anything, even before Vicious joined. Punk took the garage rock sound of The Stooges and similar bands and turned it into a whole cultural movement which sadly made a lot of profit for the execs.

Still, this is how music evolves, those terrible execs we always see depicted in biopics basically let us have the best music of each generation, albeit at a price...The Clash were a great product of the time using punk as a machine to break boundaries....same as The Ramones...it means a lot to people. Without punk we may never have had New Wave and Prog right might have reached ever higher heights of awfulness.

I think we need another movement like Punk or Grunge right now, kick out the "i've got a degree, and i wear a waistcoat and play guitar and i have a beard" bands completely and put an end to X Factor, American Idol etc

[Didymos Thomas]

Weird as it may seem my taste in music is still punk but not in the form of the Sex Pistols. Neil Young was punk, though he wrote a lot of ballads, his sound was punk.

Right on. Neil Young is great.

I think of bands like The Replacements and Sublime as punk. Forget the Sex Pistols.

hence hippies and punks are idealist but only one of them are to out of it to act on it.

Oh, the hippies act. They march, establish communes, intentionally break the law, publish; I imagine the hippies are more socially active than punks. But that's expected, punks have that element of nihilism the hippies so strongly reject.

kick out the "i've got a degree, and i wear a waistcoat and play guitar and i have a beard" bands completely

What's wrong with higher level musical education and facial hair?

[FatalMuse]

I've always seen punk as an attitude associated with some music movements, rather than a music movement in itself.

When Bob Dylan played an electric set at the Newport Folk Festival, that was punk... even though he was playing rock'n'roll, it was the attitude that was punk.

Considering punk as an attitude, I think it has a strong relation with philosophy, as I see the punk attitude as being principally that of non-conformity and a rejection of societies values. A rejection of standard codes of conduct. Punk is applied existentialism.

[Holiday20310401]

Originally Posted by Aristoddler

Punk is about non conformity.
Punk today is about as non conformist as a catholic school boy uniform.

I spit on todays' punks. They probably would get offended by it, but that's what punk really is...not giving a ****, and not caring who does.

Um.... I really like sum 41, skillet, disturbed, nickelback, green day, three days grace, simple plan. Does that make me a punk?

No!!!!!

But I think it is better not to conform to something if you don't agree with it. Especially if you like philosophy, because chances are the philosopher will actually have given the conformity more thought than the others.

Why conform and disagree.

[nietzschespet]

Originally Posted by philosopherqueen

Is punk really punk? When it surfaced big with The Sex Pistols to today.

I'm always quietly amused by the number of people who profess to know something about the whole Punk thing that happened in the UK in 1976 and who were either not alive or not in the UK.

To fully understand where Punk came from, you had to be resident in the UK because otherwise you wouldn't be able to realise what a truly piss-poor place it was to live in.

Essentially, the Labour government of the day had failed, and the Unions were dictating socialist policies to a weak and ineffective administration that had lost its way.

Punk was never, ever about selling clothes. You're referring to the shabby end of the scene that never, ever went away. For a true punk, it was always and will always be about the music, the whole DiY ethic. Suddenly, you didn't need to have a music degree or be able to sight read scores or practice for 10 hours a day. You just picked up a guitar and learned to make two chords, E and A. That covered pretty much every Punk song you can think of.

When some compare the likes of Green Day and Nickelback (FFS) to the Sex Pistols, Sham 69 et al then they really need to just give up and start talking about something thing really know about like knitting or embroidery.

M.

[Holiday20310401]

I was using the definition of punk in terms of "not conforming", so I figure that a lot of music is about that.