Truth and Belief

[boagie]

Originally Posted by perplexity

The only way to prove an objectivity is to plant the evidence.

perplexity,

You come by your name well.What do you mean by an objectivity, a relation between subject and object? Please make an effort to make yourself understood.

[perplexity]

Objectivity is no relationship, no connection, association or involvement.

A relationship is a connection, association, or involvement.

To connect, associate or involve is to affect, is thus to plant evidence.



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Originally Posted by Isa

...it is not the truth if the subject gives the objective/physical world meaning that it does not posses.

What we give to life we give to stitch it up, as if the Universe itself were somehow predisposed to take the blame.

[Irishcop]

Originally Posted by perplexity

Objectivity is no relationship, no connection, association or involvement.

A relationship is a connection, association, or involvement.

To connect, associate or involve is to affect, is thus to plant evidence.



i.e.



What we give to life we give to stitch it up, as if the Universe itself were somehow predisposed to take the blame.

In order to have objectivity don't you have to have an observation? In my way of thinking, without observation it's not objectivity its merely ignorance.
So then, by observing do you not have a connection, and an association as an observer to the observed? Therefore wouldn't that association have an effect on both?
Ultimately, wouldn't that relationship constitute an involvement even if it is a passive one?

[perplexity]

"Observation" infers an act of will.

Except to affect, why do?

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[Irishcop]

Originally Posted by perplexity

"Observation" infers an act of will.

Except to affect, why do?

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There are lots of things I have observed, unwillingly. I believe you need to qualify that statement or abandon it.

[perplexity]

Observed - Definitions from Dictionary.com

[boagie]

One can not move from indifference to objectivity easily, for objectivity infers a degree of care, that is what distinguishes it from indifference. There is such a creature as indifference, don't confuse it with objectivity, for objectivity depends upon a degree of care not to be indifference.

[perplexity]

Objectivity infers belief.

The object is the premise, not the proof.

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[boagie]

Originally Posted by perplexity

Objectivity infers belief.

The object is the premise, not the proof.

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Objectivity subtract care= indifference Objectivity you might say infers involvement, in the absence of care it is indifference.

[Isa]

Originally Posted by boagie

One can not move from indifference to objectivity easily, for objectivity infers a degree of care, that is what distinguishes it from indifference. There is such a creature as indifference, don't confuse it with objectivity, for objectivity depends upon a degree of care not to be indifference.

The simple act of observation can affect reality; indifferent or objective.

In a quantum physics experiment done at the Weizmann Inst., studying light/electrons' ability to behave both as particles and waves, they discovered a very interesting result: electrons could only behave as waves if they are not observed. The simple act of observation forced an electron to behave as a particle.

http://glenavalon.com/observation01.html

The ironic thing to me is that this could not have been found out without observation.

Perhaps the lesson in this is that the subjects are to learn as much about themselves as they do about the objects they are observing.