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Originally Posted by Aedes That's not something that you've interjected into this debate before. |
You're right that that was a new addition (at least as a fully stated idea). In essence I summed up in that post my current position (after the debate so far), but as you noted I did not support it with arguments. I guess I'm in essence raising the white flag on my own thread. I opened with bold and sweeping arguments and opinions. Some of them I have decided were simply dumb. And all of them I have decided that I do not have the authority or expertise to "prove". I wish I had started in a different manner (if I brought the subject up at all), but really it took this discussion for me to come to the more succinct (and more humble) opinions I hold now. So in that way I'm thankful for the interaction- Sometimes it takes a beating to teach a hard head. (me)
That said, I mostly am applogetic about my earlier manner, and some of my original opinions. I'm not apologetic about my current opinions (stated above), and I feel that I have good reasons for them, and that from my perspective this conversation has actually supported them. And yes, you are right that they have a lot to do with general approaches (including epistemology), and the discussion would be much more philosophical than "proof" oriented, and would be a matter of opinion for certain. But... I think I ruined any possibility of an open conversation on the matter (at least for the time being), and so I'm withdrawing without supporting my own opinions or attacking anyone else's. Sorry if that frustrating- I realize I started this whole thing...
So you can say you won the debate, I won't disagree.