Consciousness

[Arjen]

Originally Posted by Aristoddler

Descartes loves you for this one, Doobah.

Yes?
Even though x may affect y, x may not be aware of y at all.
If there is doubt for this action, then there is reason to believe that said action is possible, else there would be no room for doubt.

I would like to point out that consciousness is that upon which can be acted. In that sense "not being aware" of something merely means that one has no logical confirmation of this in the second order, but is consciouss of it in the first order.

First order logic would be consciousness and second order logic self-consciousness in this example.

I hope this helps.

[Doobah47]

Then is it possible to say that if electron (x) is undergoing/doing exchange (y) with atoms (z) then x must know/be conscious (1st or 2nd order logic) of y and/or z?

[Arjen]

X is conscious of it in the logic of the first order; it is acted upon.