No Religion Know GOD

[Israelite007]

MY GREATEST DISCOVERY IS A HIGHER LEVEL OF FAITH
This is my Philosophy of GOD with No Religion
I have just hit a breakthrough in my Faith and maybe even Mankind!
This is not for the faint of heart and ignorance is not an excuse for falsehood. Let us be one people under God. I am a Watchman for God I believe and I am here to sound the alarm and call his people back home ask me how and I will tell you trouble is people don't listen they assume judge accuse before examining the facts I have examined the facts in history and I don't speak out of my head but my heart.
Well I think I have finally found it! I have found what I have been searching for all along. What is this higher level of faith that I speak of? Truth Love Obedience Relationship. NOT RELIGION!!!! The Truth is you can have a Relationship with God but not a religion with God.
I Have found the answer to some of my deepest longings maybe even others deepest questions. Hopefully this will help you...I Have searched for the Truth in all Things in relation to Religion. So here goes I have found errors in Christianity,Judaism,Islam, All the ones I have looked into, But I have also found what I believe to be certain truths in all them. There is 27,000 different religions in the world Why is there so many and how can 1 be right, well that's just it NONE ARE IN THE RIGHT Christianity is so mixed up there is Methodists, Baptists, Catholics, Pentecostal, so why segregate anyone if we are all God's Family? Because man can't design it, and he keeps getting wrong to only fail and try again. It's mainly due to the lack of love and love for money, self-serving vs.selfless, God's way is Selfless. That is why God HATES Religion read these verses taken from the prophet Amos to support my belief.
Amos
The Day of the LORD
18 Woe to you who long
for the day of the LORD!
Why do you long for the day of the LORD ?
That day will be darkness, not light.
19 It will be as though a man fled from a lion
only to meet a bear,
as though he entered his house
and rested his hand on the wall
only to have a snake bite him.
20 Will not the day of the LORD be darkness, not light—
pitch-dark, without a ray of brightness?
21 "I hate, I despise your religious feasts;
I cannot stand your assemblies.
22 Even though you bring me burnt offerings and grain offerings,
I will not accept them.
Though you bring choice fellowship offerings,
I will have no regard for them.
23 Away with the noise of your songs!
I will not listen to the music of your harps.
24 But let justice roll on like a river,
righteousness like a never-failing stream!
25 "Did you bring me sacrifices and offerings
forty years in the desert, O house of Israel?
[b] 26 You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god [c]—
which you made for yourselves.
27 Therefore I will send you into exile beyond Damascus,"
says the LORD, whose name is God Almighty.
He's talking about the shrine itself being idolatry what does that tell you about Church!
Excerpt from one website
"Religion is inevitably the result of man taking that which is of God and forming it, formulating it, in such a way that men end up "playing God." Men can form idols out of wood or stone in an attempt to represent God, or they can formulate ideological idols (belief-systems, doctrinal definitions, theological theses). The men who thus form and formulate become the "chief priests" of the new religion because they are regarded as knowing the most about what God is like, and well they should for they formed "it."

Great support for my belief but they still believe in Christianity/Churchianity!

The Truth is Religion is created by Man to define God &
Relationship is created by God to connect with Man see the difference?

Hence this is the History known to Man from Genesis
In the Beginning Was God and God SPOKE and it was so.
God speaking Denotes that he communicated before WE Communicated so God
SPOKE and Man Came to Be AFTER God Spoke, this is very important
THEN Man Spoke Naming the animals and SPOKE To God about Eve, Sin, and so on. So God created Relationship by speaking Man into being and by communicating and connecting with Man. Man later in History after being given God's Law CREATED Religion to Define God.
Man Cannot define God, but God can Define Man because he knows the workings of man this is to be shown for what will come later.

WHAT'S IT ALL MEAN?
Well to be frank it means that MAN is wrong! Man has been wrong for thousands of years because he chooses to follow in the footsteps of OTHER Men and NOT God. I follow after GOD. Why? Talk is cheap that is why I speak with meaning and purpose.
So Religion is an offense to God for Man to try and connect with God. Religion is considered by God to be Idolatry! It replaces God and goes against the True nature of God! Why? Because there is errors in religion everywhere you look! No 1 religion has their facts strait even Richard has noticed this.

The truth can be alarming and painful so keep in mind feelings of emotion should not dictate what you believe! Very key for spiritual growth.

REAL RELIGION? OR REAL RELATIONSHIP?
Christianity IS 100% a religion not a relationship, call it what it is. relationships are shared between mutual individuals and personal, not organized as Christianity is widely an organization not an organism. Taken from another website
Christianity is a monotheistic[1] religion centered on the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as depicted in the New Testament.[

Proper definition of Christianity is a Religion orchestrated on the belief in relationship but that does not stipulate that each Christian is in relationship to God. I could claim to be an Angel but what right does that give me to enter Heaven? It doesn't that's just it so why would a Christian or Jew be different? It's not what you claim to be or what you do it's who you know. So many people are doing things in the Name of God but does that mean that they are or that they just think they are? I prefer the latter. Bush started the War on Irac in the Name of God, Hitler killed millions of Jews in the Name of the Almighty, Christians killed millions of Jews in the Reformation thinking it was God's Will, we better stop and think before more planes start crashing into buildings in The Sacred Name of God. Maybe you see my point here? That's what religion does to people it perverts them into destructive behavior and they dismiss it as God. What a blasphemy. The truth is religion is the problem, relationship is the answer without the facets of Apostate Christianity and Judaism

For another analogy let's say I have a good friend who moves far away and we stop talking, writing, or visiting. Am i still in relationship? NO. To stay in relationship with God it requires more than going to Church, reading the Bible, praying. It involves every moment every day every decision we make to forgive or help someone. It involves Love not Death not killing mass amounts of people come on that's bogus and people believe this stuff how silly! I was silly too but not that extreme. If you lose connection the relationship is severed so it's about continuous communication and guidance. I have asked for revelations from God and you know what I found out? I found out Christianity was wrong and eventually that religion altogether was wrong. Imagine that. To keep connection with God you need to have faith through obedience to keep that connection going. After all it's not what we are as in a Christian or Jew it's WHO we are as People or Children of God See like I said GOD DEFINES US WE DON"T DEFINE HIM< IT'S THE BEAUTY OF THE MASTER CRAFTSMEN HE CREATED US FOR HIS PURPOSES.
What baffles me is people say they have a relationship because they pray and because they attend church but they only say that because they are regurgitating their brainwash. The war on the mind it's everywhere. Just because you do something doesn't mean you know someone this is very basic of ideas yet people in religion have found a way to confuse the simplest of ideas into their conformity.
So I am going to lay it out on a silver platter for everyone, no secret here just exposure.

IF NOT RELIGION THEN WHAT?
The answer is relationship outside of religion! No church No Bible Just you and God Can you picture that? After all God didn't first create the Bible or a Church He created you. So let's not try to use those as scapegoats. Assumptions can be deadly if their wrong. I am not saying to discard the Bible but to imagine yourself with all you have is you and him that's all.

Do I reject religion? YES! Why? because it is wrong, wrong to me and wrong to God.
Why have I done this because I have found widespread deception being propagated and sold as a meal ticket for the church to keep thriving and building more apostate churches. It's disgusting.

TIME FOR THE ROLLER COASTER RIDE TO START ASCENT
After coming out of drug addiction,worldly behavior and obsession with dance music, and dance culture it was the hardest thing to let go but felt it was time to find God i committed my life to Christ but felt my life hadn't changed only my habits not my spiritual condition really after the excitement wore off I was a depressed Christian and hungering for God and asked God to reveal the Truth of the Rapture he revealed to me in Revelation that the 144,000 in the bible is the number of those raptured! and it is not IMMINENT which is taught by the good old faithful church. I speak of the organized church the "Bible Scholars". The Rapture occurs sometime in the Tribulation before God's wrath is poured out. I googled "144,000 rapture" and found sherry shriner's website where I found the errors in Christianity which she said Judaism was the way to righteousness, I then tried Judaism to only realize it's corruption with the satanic Talmud which states that Jesus is being boiled in Hell in a pool of semen and Christians are being boiled in hell in dung. Taken from

a third website
The Talmud states " Gittin 57a: "Jesus is in hell and is being punished by being boiled in semen. Christians are boiled in dung.



Just to clarify the Talmud was created by the Jewish Rabbis and has been added to by Rabbis throughout the Time of Jesus and up till now they just keep adding to it claiming it as the Law of God. Not just the word of God but the Law.

But Christianity isn't much better they have the New testament ask any Jew they don't believe in New testament because it is the christian bible, I am not saying to deny Jesus but the New Testament has been conformed to the Catholic Church and Is the Law of a Man know as Paul. Paul wrote practically the whole new testament and Christians adore him how he was the greatest apostle. Paul is a False Apostle! There was never 13 apostles, especially since Paul is a self proclaimed apostle. Before I knew this there was a cover over my spiritual eyes but afterwords when reading Paul's letters he is constantly defensive! He continuously contradicts! He admits cheating and lieing! If you read the Paul letters closely and with scrutiny you will see his bigotry boldy displayed much more clearly. I can't believe I didn't notice it before! It's like ever time I open my Bible to Paul I catch another contradiction or lie. He is a wolf in sheep's skin. He helped create Christianity also know as paulinity because he succeeded in abolishing God's Law by the New testament writings and by saying Christians are under grace and not under law that is a perversion and a lie! Paul denys the Law time and time again to brainwash the weak into believing his perversion of gospel. He is just one of hundreds of examples.

1 Corinthians 9

The Rights of an Apostle

19 Though I am free and belong to no man, I make myself a slave to everyone, to win as many as possible. 20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Look at the underlined sections those two statements blatanly contradict! He first says he's NOT under the Law and then says He IS under God's Law, Last time I checked the Law was all the Same and he can't make up his mind. The Law of Moses IS God's Law Paul! There is No such things as Christ's Law, God's Law, and the Law, What a diversion!

Some people defend Paul by saying he is speaking on behalf of God well no he's not because when God speaks it's always very obvious with remarks like "Thus Sayeth the Lord" or "This is the Word of the Lord" as spoken through the Prophets. Paul was not a Prophet and When Paul Says "MY GOSPEL" That is Paul talking not God. I have noticed this recently If you view Paul's writings as Man and not as God you will notice it is a Man talking NOT A Man inspired by the Word of God.

The new testament Law doesn't abolish the Old testament Law this is called hard supersessionism and Judaism is widely against this precept which is evident why the church doesn't teach it. This next excerpt about supersessionism is taken from the same website
For hard supersessionism, the old covenant is dead.[12] Jews by their sin of rejecting Jesus as the Messiah have forfeited any covenantal status.[12]
Every human is under God's Law whether they obey or not is their choice but it is rebellion to disobey God which is fundamental to any faith yet some openly dispute any possibility of obedience to Old Testament. The truth is The #1 commandment is to Love God and Love others but that is not the only commandment. People are dieing and being slaughtered in the name of Love and God. That's why we obey the 613 other commandments not to murder and such which means God would never tell someone to kill 1 million Jews but Satan will.
This is what I have found through my search for Truth and quest for Love.

The Identity of Jesus Christ/Yeshua
1.Jesus is not God the Holy Trinity is false, There is only one God he is a God of Abraham and Isaac Hashem/Yahweh/Jehovah/GOD/Etc one of many names. Jesus is exactly who he said he was the "Son of God" others claim he said he was God but there is no direct quote that is a word game with God that people won't win. Jesus is the "Arm of God". It is offensive to hear religious advents claiming you will be condemned if you don't believe in Trinity and that's how they sucker you in, if you are a sucker but no not me. The best way I can explain it is Jesus is a direct part of God and a creation his only son. It even says that in John. It is widely known not to take the bible out of context unless there is potential reason to think otherwise. So why is there reason to think otherwise when he said it over and over again? I am the Son of God, and He is One with the Father (in direct contact) He may have meant that God speaks directly to him unending in a way. I think it is very possible. It is illogical to say God is three persons and to say he was fully man and fully God. God is infinite being meaning he cannot Die and Jesus died. Jesus was a Jew and He didn't come to create a new religion he came to be the Savior for Mankind the Last Sin Sacrifice. When we talk about Jesus we have to understand that he said he didn't come to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. How? He was a Perfect Offering to God for the sins of Man. All God's commandments still apply except for the commandments regarding sacrificing burnt offerings for sin in the Temple because Jesus fulfilled the ultimate sin offering, see how that works? So Beautifully!
FYI The Law I speak of is the Law of Moses know by the Jews as the Torah, also known as the first five books of Moses in the Old/First Testament which I prefer to call the First Covenant which has 613 commandments and which Jesus elevated by saying to Love others as yourself which is the #1 commandment which I believe in. Christians break the Sabbath which is Saturday and instead do Church on Sunday which is just an example of Disobedience. Many Churches Idolize Jesus as God well if I am right then worshiping Jesus is breaking the first commandment you shall have no other Gods before me. Many Christians think of Jesus like Life insurance you say a one minute prayer and mean it and you are saved for an eternity of hell again this is what Paul taught not Jesus. I am not saying the whole new testament is false just Paul and anything he wrote for that matter. I choose to deny Paul and then I started to really understand the bigger picture.
2.God's Law of Love
The Bible has a lot of weight but like a wise man once said take everything with a grain of salt that includes the bible! I am not saying to throw it out the window just what's in the new testament really worries me how much has been indoctrinated by the Catholic Church and Constantine.The #1commandment is Love God and others but that is not the only one! There is a lot of distorted love out there, people nuke other nations for love of country, people conquer other people for love of power, so it's really what's on your heart. love is abstract in the sense that everyone has a different take on it. But just like there is Perfect Love/God's Love selfless love there is Distorted Love/Selfish love. So given what Jesus did I believe it is extremely important to keep the sabbath on Saturday, not shave with a razor, eat clean food, not drink blood, not fornicate with incest, not covet, keep the true festivals, not waring two interwoven garments, the 613 commandments still apply we are under grace in the sense not to be observing them legalistically and be obeying in love and grace which there is 237 less commandments now the temple is gone. Jesus=salvation and Obedience to Torah=sanctity/righteousness. Jesus said those that love him will obey God's commandments.
3.The Rapture and End of Days
In my depression i asked God to reveal the Truth of the rapture which was revealed to me by God in Revelation chap 7&14 It talks about the 144,000 Jewish Tribes being Raptured! I believe these are raptured during the tribulation before God's wrath and after the Antichrist is revealed. There may be a fake rapture to deceive Christians since they believe it is imminent that could be very bad. In my study of the book of Daniel at the end of the book I figured out of the 7 Years of Tribulation taking those numbers and the formula I may have been revealed the time when the end of the world comes and the tribulation began here it is. The prophet Daniel gives us a formula a time, half a time, and times, then two different amounts of days. Taking this formula I think the Tribulation began 2005, 1960 years after the temple destroyed in 70AD and the World will End in by the 8 month in 2012! I came up with this date and the NEXT day my roommate walked in the door and I was watching this movie on global warming and how there will be 9 billion people in 2050 and he said I don't care the world is going to end in 2012 anyway and i was in shock. He said The Mayans believe the end of the world in 2012, Nostradamus Predicted 2012 and Now I predicted It using the Bible book of Daniel only I didn't know this beforehand.

SO WHAT"S THIS ALL ABOUT
Well to be truthful I have lost all my friends christian and heathen alike, it is painful and now I don't go to Church or Synagogue because of the destruction of these end of days. I am trying to get the word out please relay this to any1 and every1! I am doing to this because I love God and I do think there is still some good people in the world, problem is the Christian spectrum has heavily attacked me from every possible advantage they show no love that saddens me. Get out of religion! Get into to Yahweh! Deny Religion or Jesus will deny you in the Army's of Heaven it's not a threat this is what he taught, this corruption needs to stop we need an uprising of believers who don't follow religion but follow God let's get out of the Churches and get into our community. Let's make a difference in our world, Let's Spend time volunteering the times we could be in Church is wasted for the Good of others. I am a watchman for God and I am sounding the Alarm it's time to form God's People before we are persecuted and put to death

[dpmartin]

Israelite007

If your going to use the writings of St. John, then explain this:

Jn:1: KJV
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2: The same was in the beginning with God.
3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4: In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5: And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.


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Maybe you should consider this:

God, the Almighty is a Spirit that speaks His will. His will is revealed through His Word, and His Spirit does it. Therefore all is said and done according to His Will. Note Jesus made it clear that it was His Fathers Will that He served. According to the Gospel of John Jesus is that Word of God revealed in the flesh.
If you remember that it is written that man was made in God’s image. Man has a will, that is made known through his speech and if it is in his power he can do it. If a man does what he says, Without fail, it is considered by others that his word is good. And can be relied upon. So it is with our relationship with the Word of God.

If you give your word you must keep it. God keeps the Word He gives. God the Father the will of which the Son, the Word of God given in the flesh, revealing the will of His Father, full of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of God. None are separate from the other, but revealed to us as God.

No different then:
"And the Spirit of God"(the Holy Spirt, God’s Presents)" moved upon the face of the waters."
" And God said,"(the Word of God)" Let there be light"(the revealed Will of God via His Word)": and there was light."
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Or maybe this:

First is God The Father that which all things are from, even His Word.
If we look at ourselves, in knowing that we are created in His image. This is not to say that two arms, two legs, and a head is that image. For what ever configuration of bone and flesh the Lord saw fit for us, would not change that we are mankind.
As in the trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There is The Father from which all that there is, is from. The Son, His Word, the Truth the Way the Life the Voice of the Lord, the first from the Father. And the Holy Spirt by which all the will of the Almighty is done. Thus the trinity in one.
The source of the expression that will be executed, the expression of the source that will be executed, and the execution according to the expression of the source.
As in the image of God, mankind can come up with an idea, express that idea, and do it. That is how we govern ourselves, make bridges, make movies, fly to the moon, find the short cut to work, and solve the plumbing problem with the toilet. Each individual soul is one in three parts that differentiates mankind from any other Life manifesting organism in the earth. Things like the heart, mind, and body accommodate this ability for mankind.
Second is God The Son, His Word, made manifest in the flesh as Jesus the Christ who proclaimed God His Father many times. The Word of God is from God, a part of God, and is God. Just as your word, is from you, a part of you, and is you.
His Word is Truth for if He speaks it, it will be. The Almighty cannot lie for if He speaks it. It will be. Through His Word is that which all may know Him and all of creation obeys Him. For the Truth is the Truth no matter what the Truth is.
Whether all mankind is aware of it, or not. It is still the Truth.
Third is the Holy Spirit or Spirit Of God, which moved upon the face of the waters, sealing us unto our salvation, and pretty much executes the will of God the Father after He speaks it. The Father Speaks, the Spirit moves, and it is so. According to science community after the big bang all was like dust. So it is possible that all matter and space where at rest or evenly balanced like as if all the air on earth was the same temperature with even amount of humidity and pressure. Then The Spirit moved on the face of the deep. Like a
block of molding clay. There it is, God makes stuff happen, according to what He said.



All revelation of God to His creation is through His Word. Therefore the only Way to know God is through His Word, now revealed in the flesh as Jesus the Christ. The only Way to know God.

[Israelite007]

Thanks Dp for your compelling arguement. I have thought about this and thank you for your response. I wanted to address your concern. Please understand that what I have to say is as filtered as possible.

Jn:1: KJV
1: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (For centuries, a poor translation of John 1:1, as well as a misunderstanding of biblical usage for the word "god," has caused millions to wrongly believe in the trinity. In most Bibles, John 1:1 reads "In the beginning was the Word, and the word was with God, and the Word was God." This scripture is the cornerstone of Trinitarian creed. The first argument in refuting this interpretation is an appeal to common sense. How could the Word be with God and be God at the same time? If the point here was to say that the Word was God, why bother saying that he was with him? Would not the passage more likely read (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was in all things God?) The very word structure of this passage provides strong evidence for mistranslation.

2: The same was in the beginning with God.(I'm not sure I understand why this is relevant?)
3: All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (For this reference The writings of the Apostle John tells us that "All things were made THROUGH him, (Jesus) and without him nothing was made that was made." (John 1:3) The majority of translations use the word "through," which is wrongly translated in the original King James Bible as "all things were made by him." If all things were made through him, this indicates that he was carrying out orders that had been delegated by a higher authority. Jesus acted as Jehovah's agency and is the one who dealt directly with mankind in the Old Testament.)
4: In him was life; and the life was the light of men. (Jesus was given the power of Life at his resurrection by conquering death)
5.still working on that one.

If you are backing the Trinity I just want to say that this thelogy never made sense to which lead me on a search for these scriptures....to diffuse the church doctrine of the Trinity

"DO NOT CLING TO ME, FOR I HAVE NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER, BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN AND SAY TO THEM, I AM ASCENDING TO MY FATHER AND YOUR FATHER, AND TO MY GOD AND YOUR GOD."JOHN 20:17

"THESE THINGS SAYS THE AMEN, THE FAITHFUL AND TRUE WITNESS, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION OF GOD." REVELATION 3:14

"THE FATHER IS GREATER THAN I" JOHN 14:28

As I was saying in the post Jesus is the Son of God or the Arm of God please consider these verses for the arm of God (Jesus) Here's the reference

Isaiah 59:16 (New International Version) 16 He saw that there was no one he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm worked salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him

Isaiah 52:10 The LORD will lay bare his holy arm
in the sight of all the nations,
and all the ends of the earth will see
the salvation of our God.

Isaiah 40:10 See, the Sovereign LORD comes with power,
and his arm rules for him.
See, his reward is with him,
and his recompense accompanies him. Hopefully these will help support my belief of God with No Religion

[dpmartin]

If you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, the Promised One.
Then you believe that Jesus is Lord.
If you believe that Jesus is Lord.
Then who is the Lord your God Israelite?

"the Lord your God " can be found at lest 80 times in the law given by the hand of Moses.

And yes there is no religion in the Kingdom of God. Jesus is not a religion (though many say He is, but He never said He is a religion) Jesus is The Truth The Way and The Life of the Living God (God’s Word) given unto mankind. In the flesh which was risen, and now sits at the right hand of the Father. Therefore, "Arm", the prophecy of thereof, fulfilled.

as far as trinity, He, Jesus, the Word of God, said:
Mt:28:19: Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Just because you may not understand how the trinity could be, does not mean it is not so. Only God can reveal Heaven to us, no one else.

this may help on trinity:
Abraham the father who sacrificed his son Isaac and the third Jacob named Israel who wrestled with God had 12 that all the children of Israel where of. Sound familiar?

[Israelite007]

The Lord my God is One. The Father of Heaven named Yahweh. Jesus was called Lord in the Bible but if you read back through the post God the Father gave authority to the Son as "Ruler" in Isaiah. It is clearly stated. I know where all the confusion lies. Jesus is not God! Jesus is Lord in the Bible but he is not called God in the Bible because Lord just means he is the ruler but if you look back in my post God appointed his Arm to "Rule" the Nations so does make him God? No I say no it makes him Lord. There is just no logic in the supposed Trinity 3 Gods equal one God. If you look back in history the Catholic Church actually created the idea of a Trinity so if people are to suggest it and against the Catholic Church isn't that hypocrisy? But of course that would make me a Heretic in the eyes of a Church. Fine. Better me a Heretic to a Church than a hypocrite to God. The Trinity is false and all those who follow 3 gods are not in a good position with God I believe. Look at the first commandment. No other gods before me. Jesus is a god to christians, that is idolatry if I am not mistaken.

I had a hard time understanding your explanation of the Trinity....
Please read what I wrote it's all pretty forward. My case is for the truth. Have you seen the new movie Elizabeth? I suggest it. It's pretty boring but has some interesting history on Christianity. Maybe you don't know how dark it is? Are you aware of the inquisition? Would God really command people to kill in his name if people didn't choose his supposed true religion? NO! It's freedom of choice! That's my God-given right. It's Satan's will for death not God's.

God created Spiritual beings not Religious Beings so why do people provocate religious ideals and goals to some means to and end which just creates confusion and death? In the bible satan is the author of lies and confusion but all religion has some confusion & death! What does that say!!

This is an example of what religion does to people. This is from the view of a Christian. "religion is universal, man is a religious animal" Man is a religious animal? Did he really say that? yes and He goes into more depth here by philosophically saying "Every man, sooner or later, asks the questions, who am I?, where do I come from?, where do I go to?… " A little philosophy for you but I see a huge problem with that first off man is not an animal! Man is a being a human being at that! So how can he be religious? This is what religion does to survive it diverts the course of truth. Let's read on "Religion is a unique force in society. It motivates individuals to do both good and evil. Historically, it has promoted an end to slavery, racial integration, equal rights for men and women. It has motivated individuals to create massive support services for the poor, the sick, the hurting, and the broken. Conversely, it has been used to justify slavery, racial segregation, oppression of women, discrimination, genocide, abortion... and many wars!
Religion has the capability to generate unselfish love in some people, and vicious hatred in others. Religions have committed the greatest sins in the name of religion, in the name of God… most religions!… including mass murders of innocent children, men and woman… and this is got to stop!" No what needs to stop is religion entirely! unfortunately i could not email my findings of truth because they did not list their email contact on the website.

Christians have the idea that God lives in a Church I believe God lives in me after all he created me and gives me breath so that I may speak. Have you read this in Revelation Dpmartin? It's beautiful it speaks about my point exactly.
The New Jerusalem
Revelation 21:22 "I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple." It goes then without saying the Church is not itself above the Throne of the Mighty One and should be done away with. Let it be said, so that I sowed the seed of Truth and reaped the Harvest of Love.

[TwilightEyes]

Your post immediately struck me as someone who is "awakening". I say awakening because it is a slow process for me and i believe for others as well. I try to remember that when one is awakening we are still subject to the "dream state" and the illusions of it. This dream state can also be thought of as the "darkness" and the "blindness".

Please do not take offense at what i say as i too am subject to the things of which i speak. Recognizing this, in my opinion, is the first step to being able to do something about it.

Why do you long for the day of the LORD ?
That day will be darkness, not light.

I see this "darkness" as the blindness that i see all around me. Blindness to what the bibles true meanings are, blindness to what motivates people and themselves, blindness to the great deception which begins with how we all deceive ourselves from early on about nearly everything.

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Isaiah 10-11:
10 For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

I believe this "deep sleep" in 10 is the darkness and "blindness" i talk about. In 11 i think it may refer to what i speak of lower in this reply under "a house divided". I also believe the bible is "sealed" in this way and most do not understand it. I also think it refers to ourselves and how we do not truly understand our motives or ourselves and therefore cannot understand what the bible is trying to teach us.
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You have lifted up the shrine of your king,
the pedestal of your idols,
the star of your god [c]—
which you made for yourselves.

I see this as god saying that the god people "think" they know and worship is not the one he has been trying to teach. The one most people think of is a fabrication of many things and a lie which many churchs have built upon and exploit for power or have succumbed to self deception about the truth. A truth which i have yet to fully realize myself but am seeking... therefore i should eventually find.

THEN Man Spoke Naming the animals

I personally believe that this passage is critical. I believe it is a clue that man does not understand gods language (for lack of a better word). I think this is an indication of how god communicates with us. He uses things we have learned or can relate to as forms of communication. I don't believe he uses pure language since language is completely inneffective as a form of perfect communication. In other words, he uses words from say a song along with causing you to recall a certain event or experience or series of them all at once to relay a much more detailed "experience od meaning" that no language of just words could ever relate. Of course i did not come to this conclusion based purely on this passage... like i said, it's a clue.

Christianity IS 100% a religion not a relationship, call it what it is. relationships are shared between mutual individuals and personal, not organized as Christianity is widely an organization not an organism.

I have often asked my wife how she can believe in something that she has allowed others to interpret for her. The interpretations i see are scary and painful as you said and not being taught by any church i have found. A major problem i have with christianity is that whether they admit it or not, they are waiting for a saviour when i believe it is meant for each of us to become a saviour... in a manner of speaking.

Bush started the War on Irac

Have to disagree there. Congress voted authorizing the war in Iraq based on the intel presented which indicated a pre-emptive action to remove a perceived near future threat was prudent. I know many people like to blame the evil Bush but it was dems and reps that voted for the war... as well as getting it sanctioned by the world body of the UN... not just the president. People have very selective memories.[/rant].

I was a depressed Christian and hungering for God and asked God to reveal the Truth of the Rapture he revealed to me in Revelation that the 144,000 in the bible is the number of those raptured! and it is not IMMINENT

I differ on this point as well. I do not have all the answers however i believe that the book of revelations is not about a 10 or even a 100 year portion of time... at least one layer of the meaning anyway. I think it may very well be something every human experiences throughout a lifetime and many facets of it have been going on for several thousand years and in many incarnations.

Christians are under grace and not under law that is a perversion and a lie!

Not debating the validity of Paul which is irrelevent to my following point. The truth I have come to understand is that we are all deceived to such an extent that you, i and everyone else is hopelessly lost in this shroud of darkness to such a point that we commit sins without even the consciousness of doing so. Ignorance is one reason but the main reason is self deception and there is no greater deceiver than oneself.

The old law that the new testament did away with (law of moses) had people making sacrifices and performing rituals in an attempt to atone for these sins. However, this locked them into a never ending cycle of guilt and non satifying and innefectual pennance which only reinforced their feeling of helplessness and their sense of being unable to change. I believe the biggest change between old law and new law is that the new law attempts to make people see that you are not what you were yesterday. We make ourselves what we are with every action in the present. You are what you do and not what you were... yes, you can become a better person than what you were.

20To the Jews I became like a Jew, to win the Jews. To those under the law I became like one under the law (though I myself am not under the law), so as to win those under the law. 21To those not having the law I became like one not having the law (though I am not free from God's law but am under Christ's law), so as to win those not having the law. 22To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. 23I do all this for the sake of the gospel, that I may share in its blessings.
Look at the underlined sections those two statements blatanly contradict! He first says he's NOT under the Law and then says He IS under God's Law, Last time I checked the Law was all the Same and he can't make up his mind. The Law of Moses IS God's Law Paul! There is No such things as Christ's Law, God's Law, and the Law, What a diversion!

I think you've completely missed the points being made here and not just the ones you brought up. The first refference to LAW is about the jewish law. I do not believe for one second that even the majority of the old law is actually gods law. It is mans version of gods law mixed with a lot of mans bias's and manipulations thrown in as well. Imo, what he refers to as "Gods Law" and Christs law are both different from the law of the jews which they preach as gods law when in fact it is not.

You yourself have already stated that "all religion is wrong" yet then you seem to find it a contradiction that Paul is saying that Jewish law is not the same as gods law.

So why is there reason to think otherwise when he said it over and over again? I am the Son of God, and He is One with the Father (in direct contact) He may have meant that God speaks directly to him unending in a way.

The reason is that most people in my opinion have misunderstood the entire Bible, the words of Jesus is no exception.

"I am the Son of God"... as are we all, whether you know it or not. Not saying that you can't become a woefully wayward son... ask Satan. Btw, he also said "i am the son of man".

"He is One with the Father (in direct contact)". This can be directly related to a couple people mentioned in genesis. "For he walked with god for ??? years and god took him". Paraphrased of course but i'm too tired to look up the exact names and number of years. Note, it doesnt say they died as it did with all the others in the lineage... "and god took him". Anyway, walked with god in my interpretation means that they were in nearly constant contact with the will of god and their every action reflected this fact. This is also what Jesus meant when he said "if you have seen me you have seen the father". In other words, he was doing the exact will of god so if you see jesus do something it's the same as if you saw god do it since he was merely the "puppet" (as another way of looking at it) of god.

God is infinite being meaning he cannot Die and Jesus died.

Did he? Well, he may have died in the physical form but that does not mean the consciousness known as Jesus died. I am not saying jesus is god, i'm just pointing out the flaw in your logic. None of us can know 100% until we experience death if there is an afterlife. But for arguments sake lets say there is. Did "he" die... no, the car his soul was in was sent to the junkyard as the driver carried on by foot... so to speak. I am not saying jesus was real or if his commonly accepted message (i think they have a lot of it wrong) was actually true. What i am saying is that it is far too easy to get different interpretations from the bible which can make one think it contradicts itself... it doesnt, the wrong interpretation does.

Are my interpretations correct? I am not certain but one thing i do know, the bible is like an onion, it has many meanings and lessons even within the same sentence. What is truth for you in the bible is not the same truth for everyone nor was it meant to be. Jesus did say "what is a sin for you is not for another". One meaning is that if you believe it is a sin then for you... it is a sin. This can be abused but even if you lie to your conscious mind about something not being a sin, deep down you still feel it is so it is an ineffective way of trying to unsuccessfully make anything you desire ok.

Love others as yourself which is the #1 commandment which I believe in

I believe that most humans do not even understand themselves, their motives and the lies they have told themselves to justify thier lives and decisions as well as to comfort themselves from a nagging at the back of their minds.

When jesus said "forgive them father for they know not what they do" refers to what i am saying and goes far deeper than what most people think. How can anyone truly understand and love others when they do not even know themselves and hence can not truly love themselves?

It is offensive to hear religious advents claiming you will be condemned if you don't believe in Trinity and that's how they sucker you in,

I agree 100% that organized religions use scare tactics on the most basic of levels to achieve submission from the masses. I would counter them with how god disdains a coward. IMO one must challenge everything especially things one believes or has been conditioned to think will condemn you. When one can do this, i believe you will begin to see the truth which starts with honestly looking at oneself on the most painful levels.

Jesus=salvation and Obedience to Torah=sanctity/righteousness. Jesus said those that love him will obey God's commandments.

The bible also says that "they law of moses is the way of death". Sorry, can't remember chapter and verse on that one. I believe what this meant is that adherence to the law which was written by man and supposedly translated from gods commandments is not the way. Man puts too much bias into anything he does as do you and as do i.

I believe gods commandments are referring to gods voice that comes from within each of us and NOT the commandments anyone else tells you is what god has said.

144,000 Jewish Tribes being Raptured!.

Actually it's 12,000 from each of the 12 tribes = 144,000. Just setting the record straight...

The prophet Daniel gives us a formula a time, half a time, and times, then two different amounts of days. Taking this formula I think the Tribulation began 2005, 1960 years after the temple destroyed in 70AD and the World will End in by the 8 month in 2012!

Would you please break this formula down to how you achieved each date and passages of time with each chapter and verse which you derived each portion from? I am open to and interested in this. Please also include any verse you believe anchors the beginning of the formula to the destruction of the temple.

Deny Religion or Jesus will deny you in the Army's of Heaven it's not a threat this is what he taught

I'm not debating this however i say do not do anything out of fear... period. Do not do anything because you "think" it's what jesus or anyone esle says it's what you should do and there will be dire consequenses for "disobeying". I say first look at yourself, understand misplaced motives, unrecognized faults in actions as well as self deceptions and other things that this will lead to. I call it "the burning mirror". Once a person has achieved a portion of this he will begin to not only see the truth but he will begin to see ways of living (some of which you describe) as the way he truly wants to behave... not because he is afraid of the consequences but because that desire comes from ones very deepest recesses of the soul.

I believe many of the worlds problems including drug and alchohol abuse to many other forms of mental illness is caused by ones mind denying these things and willfully following the wrong path that they (and i) have justified away with logic and science and other forms of analytical thinking.

"A house devided can not stand". One of the ways i interpret this is what i am talking about now. Deep down we all know some basic truths and higher desires of what we want to be, what we want others to be like and what we want the world to be like. From a very early age we are hurt when we see how wrong the world is and how "evil" it has become. This causes depression and a sense of hopelessness that in turn we use to justify giving up on trying to do what is really right and what is our deepest desires.

As we progress through life this conflict of what we are doing and what we should be doing tears apart our psyche making us the proverbial "house divided". In this torn condition we then lash out in many ways when it is inward we truly desire to lash at. Many of the things we suffer is caused by us in an attempt to subconciously punish ourselves. We also try to numb this pain in our soul with substances, sex, material possessions (to mention a few) all to no avail. The deeper we sink into this cyclic whirlpool pit of denial of ones true nature, the less we perceive what it is that is causing it all and we sink even farther. It truly can be a bottomless pit...

600, 60 and 6:
I am curious as to what you and others think the number of the beast is. I believe it like many things in the bible has layered meanings.

I believe one of the most significant meanings is found in how the number was structured in the writing of it. It's in a descending and lessening fashion. I believe this refers to analytical thought and Ockhams razor. The act of taking something much larger and trying to break it down something smaller we can easier understand. The problem arises when we think we can know the whole of 600 by simply understanding 6.

I believe this refers to science and from science... atheism. Most people fail to see that much of science takes as much "faith" as does belief in a god or a religion. They easily have faith that a theory with nothing more than analytical thought as fact. Take for example evolution. I do believe evolution to a point but i believe all of science is merely the study of the mechanics of gods will and does not eliminate god from the equation. I may be wrong but unlike science advocates i do not say "you're an idiot for beleiving in science and not creationism". Science says you must always have an open mind and only believe things through experimentation that you have confirmed. Funny how then they throw that under the bus as soon these rules are applied to science itself.

Conclusion:
I have no grand conclusion which sums up everything. Every time i thought i did the spirit or whatever you want to call it has slapped me around showing me how little i know and how easily i can deceive myself. It has also shown me that there is no one grand all encompassing truth which is the same for all of the creation. There are many truths that work together to form a larger whole but that whole i believe changes with the person and their purpose in life.

I have only reviewed and responded to your original post. I will read the replies between you and dpmartin later and possibly respond to some points made in them.

[Justin]

Originally Posted by Israelite007

3.The Rapture and End of Days
In my depression i asked God to reveal the Truth of the rapture which was revealed to me by God in Revelation chap 7&14 It talks about the 144,000 Jewish Tribes being Raptured! I believe these are raptured during the tribulation before God's wrath and after the Antichrist is revealed. There may be a fake rapture to deceive Christians since they believe it is imminent that could be very bad. In my study of the book of Daniel at the end of the book I figured out of the 7 Years of Tribulation taking those numbers and the formula I may have been revealed the time when the end of the world comes and the tribulation began here it is. The prophet Daniel gives us a formula a time, half a time, and times, then two different amounts of days. Taking this formula I think the Tribulation began 2005, 1960 years after the temple destroyed in 70AD and the World will End in by the 8 month in 2012! I came up with this date and the NEXT day my roommate walked in the door and I was watching this movie on global warming and how there will be 9 billion people in 2050 and he said I don't care the world is going to end in 2012 anyway and i was in shock. He said The Mayans believe the end of the world in 2012, Nostradamus Predicted 2012 and Now I predicted It using the Bible book of Daniel only I didn't know this beforehand.

Well written and I agree
Israelite007, I agree with most everything you are saying as I too am on a similar journey. The differences is, I believe that we as man, are God's experience on earth just as a fetus in a womb experiences life through the mother carrying that fetus. We are not separate from God, we are the mind, thought, energy, love creation of God.

I like the way this is written and up until the first quoted paragraph I've agreed with what you are saying, yet I'm not disagreeing with your statement of the rapture. The problem with this statement is it creates a paradigm shift in a person to come from a position of fear due to the end days, when that's not it at all. The 2012 is spoken of is a hallmark in the spiritual unfolding of mankind an this entire universe. Due to the ability to communicate via the Internet. The understanding that everything is transferred electronically including the signals sent from within us.

My point is, are we living for the Rapture or are we living for the unfolding and Cosmic awareness of One Universe and One God? Shall we come from a position of Fear?... Or shall we come from a position of Love?

Originally Posted by Israelite007

SO WHAT"S THIS ALL ABOUT
Well to be truthful I have lost all my friends Christian and heathen alike, it is painful and now I don't go to Church or Synagogue because of the destruction of these end of days. I am trying to get the word out please relay this to any1 and every1! I am doing to this because I love God and I do think there is still some good people in the world, problem is the Christian spectrum has heavily attacked me from every possible advantage they show no love that saddens me. Get out of religion! Get into to Yahweh! Deny Religion or Jesus will deny you in the Army's of Heaven it's not a threat this is what he taught, this corruption needs to stop we need an uprising of believers who don't follow religion but follow God let's get out of the Churches and get into our community. Let's make a difference in our world, Let's Spend time volunteering the times we could be in Church is wasted for the Good of others. I am a watchman for God and I am sounding the Alarm it's time to form God's People before we are persecuted and put to death

Losing Friends
I find it a tragedy to have lost all your friends. I've done this before as well, but why is it? I discovered that losing friends was because I was too busy trying to impose my own beliefs upon them to actually listen and get to know them. View them as a creation of Love and Beauty. To look past the faults... because we all have them. Accept them for who they are and start your journey with them from where they are and not where you'd expect them to be.

You cannot change anyone. It just isn't possible. However, you can provide an environment to inspire someone to change themselves.

Religions Instill Fear in Mankind
You spoke about war and what the Religions are doing... to some degree these paragraphs are doing the exact same thing. Religion is destructive... WHY? Because it builds fear in man and builds edifices between himself and God! Religion tells us of the end of times and warns us of such and teaches us of stuff. Fear GOD!... This message is no different.

Loving God means Loving those around you, even though they fall short of perfection... or what we think they should be. Loving God, as I have found is loving all of creation and most importantly loving oneself.

If we want to convince your friends that Religion isn't the way, the we must first convince ourselves enough to show our friends with our actions and spiritual growth. Imposing ones beliefs on another only pushes people away. However if one is comfortable with himself and sends out messages of love, that's when others will notice. Until then you're pissing in the wind while instilling fear rather than Love... thus we loose our friends.

Israelite007, up until the last two paragraphs quoted here, you had me all the way. I share your pain and agony and instinctively want to put my ego in the middle and push it on everyone I encounter. My experience has uncovered that the only thing in the way of us and God is our ego... ourselves. You've heard the phrase, "We are our own worst enemy". There's a lot of truth in that message.

Fear will darken our world and causes heartbeats to hasten and increased anxiety because of the negative perceptions of life. Our perceptions send out messages to our bodies as and thus create that which we fear the most.

However, I believe it's in living the truth and sending out that message to the people around you. Being an example, not scaring off all the neighbors and friends. The relationship starts within you and will shine like a great light. You will attract people and influence them rather than make them your enemies. God is about gains not losses. Love not fear. Peace not Hate. ... it's something to ponder.

You are Going to DIE
Think of it this way, you are going to die. The moment you were born into this physical life, death is but a moment away. Our physical life is rather meaningless in the spectrum of time already passed, and eternity ahead. Are you body or are you spirit?

Eternity is what it is all about. Spiritual, Energy, Love, Oneness, Creativity, Sharing, Caring and moving into the next step in the journey of spiritual unfolding. Your body is going to die anyway. Tomorrow your body may die in an accident, or you may jump and sacrifice your life to save a child. What difference does 2012 make?... Live for eternity.

Doomsday is something perceived and prepared by those who are ultimately going to create it.

You are truly on to something though. Your studies have been deep and well founded and what you've written here makes a lot of sense. However, when it comes to the end, you are sending out the message of fear which does not come from the Love of God or Yahweh.

Fear is a negative signal and once people begin to believe this, that energy is sent out from that and their thoughts will transform the world around them, to adapt to that fear and destruction. People will be preparing for the END OF TIMES rather than living for growth, productivity, peace and happiness. If enough people hop on this band wagon of Armageddon, we will eventually create just that.

My Thoughts
In summary, this is only my thoughts and perception. I have in no way mastered love or life but am experiencing through my thoughts and actions and viewing it in the physical form, and discovering along the way, I have created everything my own life, both the good and the bad.

God is about Love and Balance
We are and extension of God and are created by God. Mankind creates just as God creates with the exception that mankind has deceived itself into coming from a position of fear which cannot possibly create peace of mind and peace on earth. Fear breads fear and love breads love.

As we create our lifestyle, our friends, our family's, our jobs and basically the world around us, we also create disease and destruction. The point is, you and I and everyone else is personally creating their surroundings, situations and circumstances around us.

There are no circumstances, we simply create it with our thoughts and actions and when it comes back we call it a circumstance, either good or bad. Sometimes it comes in the form of a blessing... who knows.

To be a Watchman for God
What does this mean? Is God somewhere other than here where he sends people to watch?

By Definition, Watchman is "a person who keeps guard over a building at night, to protect it from fire, vandals, or thieves." In essence, this would mean that a watchman for God is trying to be a God? Why watch when we can start creating that in which we imagine?

If you want everyone to be aware of your message, they will know by the fruit that you bear. In that, they will come seeking and inquiring. Our job is not to be a watchman for God or join his army against evil. We need to conquer evil only by discovering the love inside our own homes and duplicating it throughout the world in our children and their friends and the people we encounter and the work that we do. Change isn't going to happen instantly and being a watchman reminds me of all these religions... watchmen.

Once we stop thinking that we are watchman for the almighty and toss aside our egos and begin to send out messages of love and balance, we will change all the negatives in our worlds to positives.

Look forward to your thoughts.

[Israelite007]

First thoughts
Wow TwighlightEyes & Justin I appreciate your candid replies. I am open to constructive criticism and you have very well intrigued into birthing truth & love.

You have both given very sound feedback and honest answers and I really needed to hear what ya'll had to say if you only knew. Just yesterday Justin I was like you say trying to impose my beliefs on others with enthusiasm and intrigue but I was missing something and you are right I am in a way instilling fear into people obeying (Which is what I am after) I felt like I was better than ever and telling old friends they need to let it all go "Fear Doubt & Disbelief" and I was just trying to free their minds. I do believe Twighlight that like you said scare tactics are used to conform the minds of innocent believers into falling in line. I don't fall in line if anything I break the line. I want to show people a world where fear dies and love rules a world where GOD is in control. The problem is I am no savior and no saint I just have a message I want to tell them.

Justin you far surpassed any responses I've had you must be a seeker. You don't know how many people have been completely brick-walled and blockaded when it comes to my beliefs. I love how you said I cannot change anyone for a while there I was really pushing myself to hard to change people. But like you said I can inspire them to change you're 100% on the mark! I have been inspired by others before to change and just to let you know I am all about change people that know me tell me "But John you are always changing." I tell them that every day I am changing but isn't it a good thing I changed from being a drug addict? a dancing fiend? a religious freak? a churchaholic? a womenizier? change is good when it leads in the right direction. I am hoping my course is true.

Man on a Mission
My Mission in life is truth & love. I appreciate your guidances in this area of my pursuit. I was really suffering lately and the enemy was beginning to have a foothold over my heart where I was about to give up i thought what difference does it make? Odd isn't it? That when I become angry I am at my weakest. When I am all about love I am at my strongest. I heard a christian preachor on daystar network say "Money matters" and "Righteousness is vulnerable and Holiness is unprotected." but that's spiritual nonsense I guess he never read the scripture that says our faith is more precious than gold! GOLD!

1 peter 1:7 These have come so that your faith—of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire—may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honor when Jesus Christ is revealed.

Twighlight--The formula you asked about which I reached to come up with 2012. I will do my best to be clear and precise. the passages are is in daniel ch. 12 which speaks about the end times the scripture works together to give us the formula.


Daniel 12:7-13
The End Times
7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. [b] When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed."

The underlined sections are the formula I used for the following numbers applied somewhat like a mathematic equation

11 "From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.

The above scripture says the time the daily sacrifice was abolished is 70AD when the temple was destroyed.
A Time=70AD
Times=1,290 days(years is used for this equation which is why it times not A time)
Half a Time/Half of 1,290=645
645+1,290+70=2005 then add the 7 years of tribulation=2012.





Pursuit of eternal happiness
Most people in life will tell they just want to be happy. In that case you would expect me to say "I just want to be happy to." While yes I am in pursuit of happiness it's not the common earthly temporal happiness it is etenal happiness with GOD. I felt like I had arrived at this destination but this recent 2 day depression showed me that I have not arrived. I am awakening like you say twighlight.
Love in it's full potential knows no fear and this is why my spiritual theory to know GOD there is no religion because religion controls and prevents love from furtile growth. the church sometimes burns the fear of hell into people so they go to church and tithe. however I think there is more to life than church and tithing. I believe in love I believe in relationship and most of all I believe in yes I believe in GOD and the Lamb of GOD.

A bond that grows cold
Relationship is the one thing people don't want to ever lose however no matter how strong the bond one day it will end through death. However there is one relationship that will never end and that is worth dieing for. Our relationship with GOD can last forever but our relationship with other lifeforms cannot sustain through death unless they have the same destination. I have lost a very close friend from a car accident I can't tell you how much grief and sorrow I felt in one moment. it was a bond that went cold.

Inspiration is a key
Like our friend Justin we can inspire others to change so now I can focus on that. I can't make anyone change but I can inspire them to change. so inspiration was a key that I needed to understand where this track is going. there is a lot of inspiration inside of me hopefully it will unlock the doors for others to be free.


Law of Liberty
I was talking with a friend Matt and trying to "impose" my beliefs on God's Law I was explaining to him that Christians believe we aren't under law but under grace. I advised him that if we obey men by Paul telling us we are under grace we are following Man but if we obey God's Law we are in turn following GOD! His response amazed me. I don't support the writings of Paul as you folks know but have you read James? of course you probably have but Matt told me that "Christians aren't above the Law" like they might think but it's this Law that grants freedom. How?

James 2:12-13
12Speak and act as those who are going to be judged by the law that gives freedom, 13because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment!

We can't focus on any one passage of scripture for purpose of strict belief but I do think this scripture supports my belief I know one scripture doesn't give us a bulletproof vest of faith knowledge in GOD's will gives us that. My spiritual interpretation of that verse is that yes we should still live by the Law but should at the same time show mercy to others as we will be judged according to it. As far as the sacrificing we no longer have a temple to sacrfice in as well as Jesus who fulfilled the Law by being the Last Sin sacrifice so therefor our sins are forgiven but we should be compelled through Love to show this grace to others. I do believe in the Law of Moses except for the scriptures relating to sacrificing and the temple since the temple was destroyed. Back to your concern twighlight about the Law of Moses is Death maybe this is it?

2 Corinthians 3:7
[ The Glory of the New Covenant ] Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, fading though it was, 8will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious?

Again I don't support the writings of Paul so I think your thesis for new law vs. old law is similar to that of Paul. However I think the distinction we should make is the new grace we are given which is the new covenant we are now free to serve GOD without having to sacrifice which is free indeed however we still need order that's why I do believe we should still obey the Law which is what I am trying to convey to people in love.

I am compelled to obey the law because it gives me practical appliance and daily assistance. We should obey the commandments to Not murder, not steal, not commit idolatry, keep the sabbath, eat clean food, not shave our beards or side growth of hair, not wear mixed garments. These are the commandments christians claim to be free from the "Hebrew law" but I think they serve the purpose of order and like James says the Law that gives freedom. Christians often use the excuse that we cannot keep the law perfectly but what does James say? Show mercy to others and it will be shown to you. Simply put we should live by the Law but without showing mercy and love to others (like the pharisees) we are not keeping the spirit of the law that compells us to obey. we are compelled to keep the law through love then shouldn't we uphold it in love? yes my friends yes! My goal is to reveal the truth that Christianity does not teach the law or to obey GOD's will (which is also know as the law) keep in mind that Jesus did fulfill the Law by being the last sin sacrifice but he did not abolish it.

Matthew 5:17
[ The Fulfillment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

How? Being THE sacrifice that would end sacrifice. He was a part of GOD the "Arm" of GOD Yashua is the Risen Son of GOD however is not the Creator GOD like many teach today. Why not? Well reason and logic tell us the truth of GOD and theology tends to declare things as absolute but only GOD is absolute not our definition of him. We can discover GOD through nature, logic, and yes the bible. However there is Biblioatry which people regard as some kind of magic power. An example of this would I heard about a Christian who prayed to GOD for a Wife and opened the Bible to "grace be upon you" and he proposed to a woman named Grace. Do you think GOD answered this Man's prayer? or do you think this Man used the Bible as a magic lamp? I don't think GOD gave us the bible so it would give us the secret to amassing wealth granting our wishes for our future wife or something. The bible is our aid to spiritual living and we should not see it as some magic power or special force. There is people who idolize the bible it is called Biblioatry. these people believe the bible is without error(which it isn't) and people who put their defences down and say the bible is complete truth without flaw are playing games with the enemy and they won't be open to understanding the meaning and appliance to scripture. Because even if the bible was 100% truth there would be 1 million different interpretations so just because it is not complete truth doesn't mean it isn't the Word of God there is just some Words of Man and Errors in as well. Some biblioaters say the only way to know GOD is through the Bible but I think we can know GOD through experience and I believe through relationship we have connection to GOD. We just don't have connection to GOD through religion it's the very thing that separates all man.

What I am saying here is that religion is fighting an uphill battle it won't win. Religion controls through fear and scare tactics and I think this is not what GOD or Jesus would have wanted.

Mind over Matter
Overall I think there is more to this life than what we can see, taste, or touch with that said I think our lives should speak worlds apart from this realm. I say we fight the good fight of love & truth. We can only do this through GOD's Divine will for our lives. This is ongoing throughout history is just a matter of what road you are on.

[Justin]

hmm... Firstly, thank you Israelite007 and TwilightEyes for the splendid discussion. No offense at all taken. You are not alone in your thinking.

Instilling Fear
I can understand that your intentions are all very good. That's easily seen, as most of us have good intentions but sometimes communicate them in the wrong way. Our intentions may be to communicate the meaning of Love without fear yet we can still instill fear depending on how we go about it.

The bottom line here is that if everyone has turned against you because of how you try to communicate this Love and Truth, then the results are the exact opposite of what your intention is. In simple terms, it's not working. Those who come from a position of fear will attract it and all that comes with it.

No Savior - No Saint
Neither am I. Don't have to be, nor does it really matter. None of us actually are and it's also not our ultimate goal in life. Trust me when I tell you that I'm far from this. However, without difficulties and understanding different situations in life, we may not be as good at thinking and communicating something we are passionate about.

Our lives have gone through periods of learning and discovery which has led us to thinking and desiring to understand more. That doesn't necessarily means that it's anyones job to break lines just because we want the me