The nature of the Almighty

[dpmartin]

The nature of the Almighty, the God of Abraham.
This is how I understand it, hope it helps you.
According to the prevailing paradigm of the science community there are five basic parts, or elements, of the cosmos/existence, (all things). Time, energy, space, matter, and something that started it (now being considered the big bang). To match that with the first verse, of the first book of a collection of books commonly know as the Bible.
In the beginning (time).
God (something that started it).
Created (energy).
The heaven (space).
And the earth (matter).
The three parts of God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) and the other four. Five as in the hand of mankind. And seven as in six days of work and one day rest.
To go from one to seven:
First is God The Father that which all things are from, even His Word.
If we look at ourselves, in knowing that we are created in His image. This is not to say that two arms, two legs, and a head is that image. For what ever configuration of bone and flesh the Lord saw fit for us, would not change that we are mankind.
As in the trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. There is The Father from which all that there is, is from. The Son, His Word, the Truth the Way the Life the Voice of the Lord, the first from the Father. And the Holy Spirt by which all the will of the Almighty is done. Thus the trinity in one.
The source of the expression that will be executed, the expression of the source that will be executed, and the execution according to the expression of the source.
As in the image of God, mankind a will, expresses that will, and can do it. That is how we govern ourselves, make bridges, make movies, fly to the moon, find the short cut to work, and solve the plumbing problem with the toilet. Each individual soul is one in three parts that differentiates mankind from any other Life manifesting organism in the earth. Things like the heart, mind, and body accommodate this ability for mankind.
Second is God The Son, His Word, made manifest in the flesh as Jesus the Christ who proclaimed God His Father many times. The Word of God is from God, a part of God, and is God. Just as your word, is from you, a part of you, and is you.
His Word is Truth for if He speaks it, it will be. The Almighty cannot lie for if He speaks it. It will be. Through His Word is that which all may know Him and all of creation obeys Him. For the Truth is the Truth no matter what the Truth is.
Whether all mankind is aware of it, or not. It is still the Truth.
Third is the Holy Spirit or Spirit Of God, which moved upon the face of the waters, sealing us unto our salvation, and pretty much executes the will of God the Father after He speaks it. The Father Speaks, the Spirit moves, and it is so. According to science community after the big bang all was like dust. So it is possible that all matter and space where at rest or evenly balanced like as if all the air on earth was the same temperature with even amount of humidity and pressure. Then The Spirit moved on the face of the waters. Like a
block of molding clay. There it is, God makes stuff happen, according to what He said.
Using basic geometry as an analogy to go from four to seven. There is a point, a line, a plain, and a cube as basic elements that all shapes are made of. A point has no dimension such as height length and width. A line made up of points in a row and has only length for a dimension. A plain made up of lines has two dimensions length and width
And a cube made up of plains having three dimensions height length, and width.
Fourth is time, which would seem to be true because energy, space, and matter would require time to exist. For if there is no time, then there is nothing but the presence of God, the only source of Life.
Time like unto a point has no dimension. Why, because there is no smallest amount of time, there is always a smaller amount of time so there is no smallest increment of time. We perceive time by a certain amount of energy exerted upon a certain amounts of matter through a certain amounts of space and the repetition there of.
Fifth is energy, if only because it seems evident even to science that space and matter is made up of energy. Energy is like unto a line having only one dimension, length, existing from one point of time to another. Requiring points (like a line) of time to exist. Changing configurations of matter and space as every thing continues to return to rest.
Sixth is space, only because space could exist without matter. Space is like unto a plain, made up of lines of energy in a plains like behavior, a blanket like and or fiber like form, as expressed by some in the science community. It maybe possible that it is the behavior of space that keeps matter in constant motion since matter is never still. It is possible that both space and matter are trying, or destined to come to rest.
Seventh is matter, which would require more that one plain of space to have a three-dimensional like, behavior. We perceive the other three through the observed response of matter. Matter is like unto a cube, seemingly to displace more than one plain of space at one time. It may be possible that the smallest unit of matter is like unto a line of energy following its own tail. Like a dog chasing it's tail. But this line of energy follows itself so tightly that it displace the lines of space that would have occupied the points in time that the
smallest unit is.
The source of Life is not the manipulation of time, energy, space, or matter. the manipulation of time, energy, space, or matter manifests the presents of the source of Life. Even the close proximity to the source of Life. As in what it's like in heaven as compared to what it is like in earth. The science community insists on tangible evidence. This is the real problem. Because the presence of the power of life is manifest all around us, but the science community considers that a random result of the other four (Time, energy, space,
matter) and life is not a basic element of all things. Rather than a (Time, energy, space, matter) response to the existence and or presence of Life. The argument that a predictable result of matter is the reason for this seems feeble when for centuries mankind has been manipulating living organisms to get a predictable result. And to base an argument the ability to manipulate matter into a configuration known as amino acids is not the creation of life. For amino acids of themselves are not life and are not the origin of life nor a living
organism. No more than purified copper is a penny. Though the manifestation of the presence of life may be evidence, it seems that it's an issue of interpretation of what is evident. Where as, it could be considered, that if under certain conditions of time, energy, space, and matter, there is manifested the presence of life. Which was already there.
In other words the presence of Life is always there but not always evident to us, unless certain conditions are met.
The science community is learning more and more that if one manipulates matter, energy, and space within certain time, life is manifest or evident in the form manipulated to. But the source of Life is not, the manipulation of time, energy, space, or matter. Life comes from Life and you see matters response to it.


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Mankind must be under the Truth, The Way, and The Life, for mankind cannot make any of these. Only declare or deny they are, or lie about it.
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[boagie]

dpmartin,

This is just the kind of science many of us have been looking for.Certainly traditional science is completely impotent when it comes to explaining some of the most pressing questions.I realize this is probabley just an outline,a historical summation,so I will ask you directly to answer my questions.God created the talking snake did he not? My question is,how come since childhood I have not been able to find one.Did the talking snake then evolve into a lizard,and in the process lose his voice box? This is a big big gap in the creationists fossil record.Please clear the air around this confusion in creationist biology.

Another question is,who created the Devil,and if god is omipotent why is there such a struggle between good and evil--evil-d-evil, were on a run here.I for one am greatful for your contibution of tenth century science,modern thinkers are so uppiddy,useing all them big words and all.Oh oh, gott'a go,I hear my rib calling!






Yahoo, for one, filters everything with the word "Je.s.us" in the subject into the sp.am/bu.lk/j.unk folder

[Dexter78]

For this, there is not something that started God, it is just assumed that God always was, which is not an argument but a statement.

The Almighty cannot lie for if He speaks it. It will be

So there are things God can't do

" According to science community after the big bang all was like dust. So it is possible that all matter and space where at rest or evenly balanced like as if all the air on earth was the same temperature with even amount of humidity and pressure

This is not correct. All was not uniform after the big bang, current theory holds that there were slight perturbations which grew as the universe expanded, which is currently seen in the non-uniform distribution of mass throughout the universe. The initial perturbations resulted from the uneven "surface" of the colliding membranes which resulted in the big bang. No external, sentient, guiding agent was required for anything in the universe to form. It is only by assuming that the universe required sentience that the need for a creator is created. To think of it as something that would otherwise be random if it were not for a directing agent is also not correct, since everything obeys the laws of physics that could not be otherwise for this universe. To require a reason for why the laws are what they are is to create a need for an explanation for something that is not there, it is only manifested inn one's mind.

Where as, it could be considered, that if under certain conditions of time, energy, space, and matter, there is manifested the presence of life. Which was already there. In other words the presence of Life is always there but not always evident to us, unless certain conditions are met.

If this is saying that life, like rock, water, plasma, etc is one possible arrangement of matter that is permitted by the laws of physics, then yes. If it is trying to say that life is some kind of pre-existing essence that uses matter as a conduit to manifest itself in physical space, then this is just another description of the concept of a soul or spirit. Presuming that this exists, then saying that science can't explain it, therefore God does, is not a valid argument.


Smilies, heed my call!

[dpmartin]

Dexter78
good to hear from ya.


As far as the big bang theory, it would not take much to be more familiar than I am with it. And the comments made are merely speculation of possibilities in reference to the big bang. But just for the sake of bla bla bla, would not colliding membranes have to be from something also?


As far as laws expressed in mathematics, did the law exist before, as in the truth thereof, or after existence obeyed them?


Dose not life have purpose that is independent of all other things known? Do not all living things act with purpose at all times? Even to rest. Does not life live and give life? Does not life struggle against death to live? And how could there be any reason, or even reasoning without life? The reason is to live and give life. And how could that have happened without the reason being first? It seems to me, that if there is life, there is a reason.



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Mankind must be under the Truth, The Way, and The Life, for mankind cannot make any of these. Only declare or deny they are, or lie about it.
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[Dexter78]

would not colliding membranes have to be from something also?

The same could be said of God. This deals with time, which, as far as I know, hasn't yet been fully explained. In our universe we experience the 4th dimension as time in a linear fashion, but this is not necessarily the case when discussing the entirety if existence, both this universe and that multi-dimensional interactions that created it. Concepts like "beginning" and "end" may not apply, and at best it may be said that the entirety only asymptotically approached a "beginning", it's a self contained system. Since the theories are still being worked out, it cannot yet be said how entirety behaves. However, introducing a God solves none of the problems, and in fact creates many more, so if the physical explanations seem unbelievable, the idea of a God is even more so.

As far as laws expressed in mathematics, did the law exist before, as in the truth thereof, or after existence obeyed them?

Before. The ultimate law is what physicists are searching for. Existence behaves as the law allows, it does not first exist and then follow the law, nor do these laws burgeon into existence with the universe. All possible states of existence are accounted for in this law.

Dose not life have purpose that is independent of all other things known? Do not all living things act with purpose at all times? Even to rest. Does not life live and give life? Does not life struggle against death to live? And how could there be any reason, or even reasoning without life?

I have a different view of reason vs purpose. Reason, in this sense I equate with explanation, for which there is one whether there exists life to figure it the explanation or not. For example, the explanation, the physics, for how the sun works is there independent of there being life. As for purpose, this is a human concept. Life behaves the only way it can. Life has an explanation of itself, a reason, for why it exists, but not an independent purpose. There is no elevated, ethereal objective that life is ultimately serving. The purpose comes from the person themselves. When people ask "Why I am here?" or some form of this, there is of course a biological explanation, but most are looking for a kind of universal justification and there isn't any. When one assumes something that isn't there, they need something else that isn't there to explain it. People live, laugh, love, hate, enjoy, reason, etc. because that is what they can do. Each person has their own experiences that results in these and other behaviors. And I enjoy that.

[dpmartin]

Dexter78


This "ultimate law that physicists are searching for", is it the truth? Can it be a lie? And is there anything in existence under this law that can disobey it?

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Mankind must be under the Truth, The Way, and The Life, for mankind cannot make any of these. Only declare or deny they are, or lie about it.
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[dpmartin]

Correction:
"And is there anything in existence under this law that can disobey it?"

I think it would be better said: And is there anything in existence under this law that could not believe this law, and not follow this law?

[Dexter78]

The law physicists are searching for is a mathematical explanation and understanding of all forms of energy, matter, the universe and the forces that caused it, etc. If successfully derived, tested and proven, then it can not be a lie in the sense that it could be incorrect, but would be a true explanation of things. Anything that can think can choose not to believe such a law is correct, but it will have no affect on it anymore than if I chose to stop believing in gravity would that force suddenly no longer apply to me. However, unlike the concept of a God, there would actually be a body of mathematical work that a person could examine, test, and attempt to prove or disprove. As for following this law, choice is not an issue here because there is no option, nothing has any choice but to act within the confines of what is permitted by this law of physics, nor does this law possess any consciousness that causes it to exert it's will on everything, it is simply the way things are.

[dpmartin]

Dexter78
So what your telling me and correct me if I am wrong.

This law existed before anything else in existence. If this law or any part of this law can be expressed in the language of mathematic then the law must have been expressed in order for the rest of existence to comply. And can be known by and express from mankind. In order to be, it must be allowed by the law. Nothing is outside this law, this law cannot lie, for if it is the law, it is.
If someone does not believe the law to get a desired result then they get a undesired result which is also expressed in the law. Not only that, ignorance of the law would not be an excuse if there was an undesired result.
Also if there is an ultimate law, life is allowed by law and the conditions for life are also a part of the law. And the law in reference to life is expressed before the rest of existence for the law must have existed in whole before the rest of existence. Also the knowledge of life is in the law. For if it is not a part of the law, it would not be. Therefore the law, which would have to be the truth, rules over all else.
Also, the law existed before all else therefore it is possible that the truth always was. And the law remains always, and the law will always be since it did not require the rest of existence to be in the first place.


As far as will, don’t count it out. Why are things not otherwise then they are, and the law maintains order, does it not? Order for what, and why? Why not existence with out the law?


If this seems a little blurry, I apologize, not much sleep, but I wanted to keep this going.


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Mankind must be under the Truth, The Way, and The Life, for mankind cannot make any of these. Only declare or deny they are, or lie about it.
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[Mr. Fight the Power]

Better editing could make your post much more readable.