The nature of the Almighty

[boagie]

Boagie
You know, I can understand the disdain for "religion", I argue against it all the time, for religion is for the self righteousness so those in religion can accuse others, amongst many other unfortunate things people like to do. But,why the venomous remarks toward the name Jesus?[/quote]


dpmartin,

I think with Christianity's assault upon science and reason is a major factor.A very good premise to avoid attack is not to attack oneself.We have been programed in the past into showing respect for religious beliefs no matter how absurb we personally might find them,this apparently has only served to make religion more agressive.You seem to be able to be a least a little critical as to how the name of Jesus is USED,Jesus was accordding to the Christian bible offered the power over nations and said,"Get thee behind me satin." It has been said that love is given freely but respect is something earned.To many,Christians stand as road blocks to vital issues useing ancient text in place of reason,this does not earn respect,even global warming they fought off until it was upon us all.Choseing to believe the scientists bought and payed for by the oil companies their bedfellows in the whitehouse.If the name of Jesus truely mean't today,LOVE,why would anyone wish to trample upon such a name.


Honk if you love Jesus!!

[Irishcop]

Boagie, focus on the issue. You are jumping around the issue interjecting impertainant tangents.
There is an either/or answer to my rhetorical question: "Tell me Boagie, who would you rather be approached by Billy Graham or the Taliban?" Obviously you wouldn't want to be approached by Billy, or a Mullah, but given the choice of one over the other, I suspect you'd rather have words with Billy and his Bible, than Omar and his buck knife. That, would be a no-brainer, but why?
Why is because, Omar thinks he has right to saw your head off on the Internet, in an Islamic/political struggle to take over the world.
Really, if you can't see the difference between Christian and Islamic doctrine 9-11 taught you nothing.

World religion doesn't exist, but if it did, it would not equate to world domination, in and of, itself. To do so, any religion would have to be the basis for the "world government's" doctrines, enforced by the "world military", and unwanted by the "world proletariat".

What "sect" do you believe Jesus belonged to?
He "usurped" the very types of people, you have been condemning in this thread, the Pharisees. If you adhere to the principle of non-violent disobedience of an unjust system, that makes you a "usurper"? i think not.

(BTW, I studied Physics and Astronomy, minoring in Geology, for 3 years at Ohio University, I dont turn a blind eye to science. It makes perfect sense to me. But this was one of them-there tangents I mentioned.)

[boagie]

Irishcop,

The difference between Christian fundamentalism and the Taliban is one of power over the population,with the Taliban it is absolute,with the Christian fundamentalist,why they are praying for more!Your either/or statement is amuseing in its desire for control.Tell me Irishcop have you stopped beating your wife--yes or no---the answer is still neither.World religion does exist in intent,now,Judaism is NOT a world religion in its intent,it is a tribal religion,never intended for everyone.

[Irishcop]

Originally Posted by boagie

Irishcop,

The difference between Christian fundamentalism and the Taliban is one of power over the population,with the Taliban it is absolute,with the Christian fundamentalist,why they are praying for more!Your either/or statement is amuseing in its desire for control.Tell me Irishcop have you stopped beating your wife--yes or no---the answer is still neither.World religion does exist in intent,now,Judaism is NOT a world religion in its intent,it is a tribal religion,never intended for everyone.

Ah, but your rhetorical question is in a different context, and doesn't fit the point. A better analogy might be, "would I rather beat my wife, or be decapitated by her rolling pin?". Although, I would rather neither scenario happened, I would decidedly choose to keep my head and use it to apologize to her later.
True, although Judaism will take converts, but aims to keep it in the family. However, you cited the old testament, holding Christianity's feet to the fire for it.

[boagie]

"Ah, but your rhetorical question is in a different context, and doesn't fit the point. A better analogy might be, "would I rather beat my wife, or be decapitated by her rolling pin?". Although, I would rather neither scenario happened, I would decidedly choose to keep my head and use it to apologize to her later.
True, although Judaism will take converts, but aims to keep it in the family. However, you cited the old testament, holding Christianity's feet to the fire for it."

Irishcop,

Perhaps your right on the semantics,it would make little difference though if they had the same powers."You cited the old testament,holding Christianity's feet to the fire for it." Refresh my memory here,torture is against the law in America.What is it precisely you are taking acception too,that I apparently have taken out of context.

[Irishcop]

The difference between Christian fundamentalism and the Taliban is one of power over the population,with the Taliban it is absolute,with the Christian fundamentalist,why they are praying for more!

Still not a fair comparison, where the Taliban and Osama, have no mercy on the innocent, and brutaly murder them, inorder to make the world fundamentalist Islamic, and under its theocracy.
Christian doctrine is to spread the word of God, crossing borders, not annexing them after conquest.

"You cited the old testament,holding Christianity's feet to the fire for it." Refresh my memory here,torture is against the law in America.What is it precisely you are taking acception too,that I apparently have taken out of context.

It appeared to me after you cited the Old Testament that you implied that was Christian doctrine. However, many things in the Old Testament were clearly not Christian.

[boagie]

"It appeared to me after you cited the Old Testament that you implied that was Christian doctrine. However, many things in the Old Testament were clearly not Christian.[/quote]

Irishcop,

I am afraid this does not help much,what did I state which you took to be mistaken Christian doctrine on my part?

[Irishcop]

Originally Posted by boagie

"It appeared to me after you cited the Old Testament that you implied that was Christian doctrine. However, many things in the Old Testament were clearly not Christian.

Irishcop,

I am afraid this does not help much,what did I state which you took to be mistaken Christian doctrine on my part?[/quote]
Okay, now you're corn-fusing me. I think this tree is blocking our view of the forrest.

[boagie]

Irishcop,


Perhaps so! Needless to say I am not well verse in Christian doctrine.

[Irishcop]

Originally Posted by boagie

Perhaps so! Needless to say I am not well verse in Christian doctrine.

Stick with me kid, and you'll go places. (in my best Bogart voice)