How can God not exist

[OntheWindowStand]

Time cannot have always existed. Without a beginning time is a line stretching both forward and backward for eternity. In this model it is impossible to ever move forward or back in time because the start cant be defined without a start how can it exist? unless it created in which case the creator would be god.

[ThoughtAsStupid]

I do not know how God cannot exist. I'm VERY religious and know he does. I cannot believe the people who think the world was created by mere coincidence. Its so beautiful, and the people are far too complex to be an accident, along with the diversity.

[de_budding]

Well before you go on... it is important for you to consider why God is more plausible than the other explanations. Consider the explanation ratio of God (the amount of things explained divided by the amount of things assumed) and compare it to the explanation ration of theories such as evolutionary theory.

What you have suggested is that, because an infinite universe is such a difficult or confusing concept that God is more plausible...

1: this is classic religious attitude, deal with what is not understandable by creating something that is understandable; namely a God in your image which miraculously answers such questions. Hence the inexplicably irrational explanation ratio.

2: have you really done your research? there are many other models such as, oscillatory ones. And granted an infinite universe is a difficult concept to grab, but I think you need to research your understanding of an infinite universe. If the universe is unbounded, and has no beginning or end... why can't we exist?

I think your ignorance in your approach to truth is staggeringly lazy and concerning anything but truth. You two truly are Christians.

P.S the more I read such 'faithful' responses, the more I see the jump to God as an arbitrary choice of self comfort... explain to me that I'm wrong.

Dan.

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

Time cannot have always existed. Without a beginning time is a line stretching both forward and backward for eternity. In this model it is impossible to ever move forward or back in time because the start cant be defined without a start how can it exist? unless it created in which case the creator would be god.

I cannot understand how the spontaneous advent of time is any less plausible than the intentional creation of time.

God doesn't make sense. Our imperfection insures that. You need to be consistent in that knowledge.

[No0ne]

Well to answer that it's best to ask a question first

Q. If nature created everything, what created nature?

And that very question has also led man to the concept of "god"

But you asked,

How can god not exist?

To answer that you must first understand how god dose exist, and the only way god exist's is in are mind's defined by are perception of are self and the existence around us.

Hence for god to not exist, man it's self must not exist, therefore man could not perceive "god" or thy work.

So that's one way how "god" could not exist.( just to exist in another defined form)

I call it "The Chicken And The Egg Complex" Hence one must exist in one state for the other to exist in it's present state.

Which came first the chicken or the egg? Well the chicken logicaly come's first due to the fact that it lay's egg's, but this logicaly point's to the fact that chicken's didnt allway's lay egg's. But if the chicken didnt lay egg's would it still be a chicken?

Hence a chicken exist's as a chicken due to the fact it lay's egg's or due to the fact man has defined it within one's mind as a chicken. Hence a God only exist as a God due to the fact that it has made an egg or due to the fact that it's egg or it's self has defined it as God.(the reason why could be related to the siGnature that I use)

So If there is no egg to define or make the chicken exist in the state it exist presently, the chicken would not exist as a chicken.
(Hope it all wasnt to hard to follow, parable reation's are tricky Complex)


Here are some other question's related to the same thing

Q. If god made man what made god?
Q. If god has allway's existed why has god allway's existed?

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fight the Power

I cannot understand how the spontaneous advent of time is any less plausible than the intentional creation of time.

God doesn't make sense. Our imperfection insures that. You need to be consistent in that knowledge.

Time does exist that makes so it much more plausible that it was created

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

Time does exist that makes so it much more plausible that it was created

Then you need to be consistent with your causal reductionism.

I don't know what "caused" the singularity, but I can say the same for God. If I must assume that all that is has a creator, why must I not assume that the God has a creator?

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by No0ne

Well to answer that it's best to ask a question first

Q. If nature created everything, what created nature?

And that very question has also led man to the concept of "god"

But you asked,

How can god not exist?

To answer that you must first understand how god dose exist, and the only way god exist's is in are mind's defined by are perception of are self and the existence around us.

Hence for god to not exist, man it's self must not exist, therefore man could not perceive "god" or thy work.

So that's one way how "god" could not exist.( just to exist in another defined form)

I call it "The Chicken And The Egg Complex" Hence one must exist in one state for the other to exist in it's present state.

Which came first the chicken or the egg? Well the chicken logicaly come's first due to the fact that it lay's egg's, but this logicaly point's to the fact that chicken's didnt allway's lay egg's. But if the chicken didnt lay egg's would it still be a chicken?

Hence a chicken exist's as a chicken due to the fact it lay's egg's or due to the fact man has defined it within one's mind as a chicken. Hence a God only exist as a God due to the fact that it has made an egg or due to the fact that it's egg or it's self has defined it as God.(the reason why could be related to the siGnature that I use)

So If there is no egg to define or make the chicken exist in the state it exist presently, the chicken would not exist as a chicken.
(Hope it all wasnt to hard to follow, parable reation's are tricky Complex)


Here are some other question's related to the same thing

Q. If god made man what made god?
Q. If god has allway's existed why has god allway's existed?

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A chicken is not a chicken because it lays eggs. You are putting too much emphasise on the lingo. man didnt make it a chicken by calling it one it just was and we observed that

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by de_budding

Well before you go on... it is important for you to consider why God is more plausible than the other explanations. Consider the explanation ratio of God (the amount of things explained divided by the amount of things assumed) and compare it to the explanation ration of theories such as evolutionary theory.

What you have suggested is that, because an infinite universe is such a difficult or confusing concept that God is more plausible...

1: this is classic religious attitude, deal with what is not understandable by creating something that is understandable; namely a God in your image which miraculously answers such questions. Hence the inexplicably irrational explanation ratio.

2: have you really done your research? there are many other models such as, oscillatory ones. And granted an infinite universe is a difficult concept to grab, but I think you need to research your understanding of an infinite universe. If the universe is unbounded, and has no beginning or end... why can't we exist?

I think your ignorance in your approach to truth is staggeringly lazy and concerning anything but truth. You two truly are Christians.

P.S the more I read such 'faithful' responses, the more I see the jump to God as an arbitrary choice of self comfort... explain to me that I'm wrong.

Dan.

well with point number one it explains everything but one thing how did god start? So it solves a lot obviously you can't just make something to explain that is why i stated the reason. Time cannot have been created within a system of only itself that is the argument

and for point 2 my argument deals with time not cycles of big bangs and crunches explained in a oscillatory system as far as time goes it is linear, it also it always making progress forward so either time always existed or was made ( go figure isn't it that way with everything) The very nature of time points to a creator without a start any point in time is the same as all the others that means time wouldn't be linear.... but it is

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fight the Power

Then you need to be consistent with your causal reductionism.

I don't know what "caused" the singularity, but I can say the same for God. If I must assume that all that is has a creator, why must I not assume that the God has a creator?

because something had to always be or nothing could be things like time can only be explained with a creator because of their nature nothing indicates that about god