LifeMind

[paulhanke]

Originally Posted by Holiday20310401

Now what would the diagrams look like if causality worked in a cycle?

... ... life? ... ...

[GoshisDead]

It is not a big jump to self awareness, self awareness is the minimum one must have to have a mind, how else would one recognize that one has a mind.

[Ron C. de Weijze]

Originally Posted by paulhanke

So, in being able to "replay" this reflection, is mind duplicating the processes of life - only on a different substrate?

Yes it duplicates aspects on different substrates, including those of the mind, enabling us to recollect interrelated elements from all aspects or perspectives to reconstruct life as it was, or better, if we think it is worth the effort.

[paulhanke]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

It is not a big jump to self awareness, self awareness is the minimum one must have to have a mind, how else would one recognize that one has a mind.

... let's boil down what we mean by life ... is a rock alive? no ... is a virus alive? maybe ... is a bacteria alive? certainly ... so you're saying then that the jump from a bacteria to self awareness isn't a big one? ...

[paulhanke]

Originally Posted by Ron C. de Weijze

Yes it duplicates aspects on different substrates, including those of the mind, enabling us to recollect interrelated elements from all aspects or perspectives to reconstruct life as it was, or better, if we think it is worth the effort.

... is that cool, or what?! ... if you're right, then to understand the fundamental processes of life is to understand the fundamental processes of mind (and vice versa) ... so what do these processes look like? ... and if we were to discover and understand them, would we truly have found the "Theory of Everything" that has eluded physicists for so long? (maybe they were just looking in the wrong place! )

[GoshisDead]

This is why in my original post i made the following distinction then asdded the inquiry about self awareness.

Biological life, or the durative experience of life?

[paulhanke]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

This is why in my original post i made the following distinction then asdded the inquiry about self awareness.

... sorry - lost track of your thought ... okay, given your starting point - that there is no difference between life-as-durative-experience and mind - let's try switching levels:

Are mind and society more than just different aspects of humanity? Is there an essential sameness to them? That is, when nature invented society did she more or less reuse the same tools that she used when she invented mind?

[GoshisDead]

Some would say that culture and the self have very strong functional correlations. More than one thinker has equated the will and mass thought of a nation or people to a nation's spirit or mind. Others have called it a superorganism or collective conscience. I would like some clarification on what you would like from this question if possible.

Functionally society/culture/ethnicity/grouping naturally create group identities, think thought, act according to codes, work within set frames, a culture can experience as a group leaving lasting social scars an entire nations at times. Cultures weep, mourn, they are self aware. They are dynamic and synergistic. Much like the mind that is so much more in mosaic than the sum of its parts, culture/society/the group cannot be easily defined in relation to its autonomy, its life, if you will.

[paulhanke]

Originally Posted by GoshisDead

Cultures weep, mourn, they are self aware. They are dynamic and synergistic. Much like the mind that is so much more in mosaic than the sum of its parts, culture/society/the group cannot be easily defined in relation to its autonomy, its life, if you will.

... so, who (what?) is it that experiences the self awareness of a culture?

[GoshisDead]

The culture does