Thought is pre-language Our thoughts are not in language

[pam69ur]

It is argued that thought is pre-linquistic. That any attempt to find the essence of thought ends in self-contradiction or paradox. Any attempt to assign an essence to thought ie language images concepts or any "thing" ends in self-contradiction What ever thought is it cannot be rationally discovered What ever constitutes thought will remain forever a mystery Its nature or essence is outside the possiblities of language and logic to discover. Analytical philosophers claims that thought is language-that without language there can be no thought collapse into self-contradiction and with it the whole anayltical philosophical enterprise of a language based language centred thought philosophy


http://gamahucherpress.yellowgum.com...essthought.pdf Contentless Thought: Case Study in the Madhyamika demonstrations of the meaninglessness of all views].

[boagie]

pam69ur,

I just thought this might prove of interest.

http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdf...8/15618-11.pdf

[pam69ur]

Thanks

a very interesting article -it lends support to deans claims
whitehead and dean are very similar to some forms of Buddhism ie zen which argues that it is only by non-thought that one can have true insight into the ulitimate
Bodhidharmma the founder of zen when Hui-K'o asked him "I have not yet found peace of mind. Please grant me peace of mind." Bodhidharma replied, "Bring me your mind and I will show you peace." Eka, "I cannot grasp it." Bodhidharma then said," Then I have shown you peace of mind."

Dean shows the paradoxes that are encounted when one looks for the essence of thought Dean' paradoxes could have been what Hui-ko encounted when he searched for the mind
Dean and Hui-ko both discovered that thought mind could not be grasped- at least in deans case intelectually

[chad3006]

In my own experience, I agree that thought is pre-language. The complexity of thought is usually poorly expressed with language.

Language, is the basic medium of propaganda and mind control. I've heard that companies spend $6 out of $10 on advertising (the most basic propaganda). If it didn't work, why would they spend that much? Frank Luntz makes a fine living choosing the right words for PR campaigns.

[Baloo72]

Here's just a what if to keep this going. What if language was pre-thought? What if we were created with a perfect language, and the language fueled our thoughts? Just a thought. lol.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Baloo72

Here's just a what if to keep this going. What if language was pre-thought? What if we were created with a perfect language, and the language fueled our thoughts? Just a thought. lol.

Baloo,

If language were prethought what would its function then be? With no content, what would take on the form of language? You would have then,form without function,form without substance.I think the key is,everything is relational,nothing can be considered in isolation.One might consider into the equation the property of emotion,for is it not emotion which is the marrow of life and the catalist for the mutual shareing of our subjective experiences,thus shareing, thus language.

[Baloo72]

well, like I said, I was just trying to keep this going.

[boagie]

Originally Posted by Baloo72

well, like I said, I was just trying to keep this going.

Baloo72,

Quality and quantity second

[Aristoddler]

Translation: THAT THING CAN'T BE KILLED WITH A STICK!! RUN!!!!

[Baloo72]

I've had a while to think this over and I think I came up with a better idea than my last one (blunder. . .). Thought developed before language. Language developed out of a need to communicate thoughts. That is the general trend of language and thoughts, but with an individual thoughts and language work hand in hand. Without language (communication), thoughts are limited. When a new word comes up with young children they become curious about it and it can spark a new idea in their heads. The converse is also true, people can have thoughts but not have the right words to express it, new words are made. Any thoughts on this?