How does language influence reality?

[Doobah47]

Originally Posted by boagie

Baloo72,Chad3006,

I do think language does form the reality we experience,certainly it is at the very least,conditioned by it..

Surely reality conditions our language. Lets say that some unknown un-named x were to enter your perception, what would you do?

[GoshisDead]

I would say OMG what the heck is that THING, aren't pro-forms wonderful

[Doobah47]

Ok, I would say that language, or more specifically physics conditions the way we perceive and think about reality, and if you want to be strange you could say that reality only exists inside the mind of the individual so language conditions parts of reality in some context. But really its utterly preposterous and absurd to say that language conditions reality.

[Ciana5]

I do not believe that "language" is the culprit here, the person using it is conveying thoughts and ideas. The real culprit would be "interpretation" which is at the receiving end of the language.

[GoshisDead]

Interpretation is also on the production end of language, interpreting prototypical concepts and non linguistic thoughts into language that may or may not adequately describe them. Interpretation is not really the culprit as I noted in a previous post. The Culprit is assuming that language has anything at all to do with hard reality. Language creates a meta-reality in which abstractness can be present in order not to communicate but to negotiate.

[chandler]

Language does not influence reality but influences the perception of reality (as Goshisdead has said).

There are stories about people remember car accidents differently than the car accident actually happened. For instance, a car accident happens: head-on collision with no shattered glass. But when questioners use certain words in their questions (like, crash, smash) it ends up that many of the victims will remember glass breaking. In these cases the language used influences the person's memory of the incident and so his/her own perception of reality.

[Arjen]

I am going to be really annoying and contradict Chandler and GosHisDead (even though I really agree with them in the sense they ment their posts). Try to look at things this way:

Language is not only words and form; it is vibration. When we look at it all physical reality is vibration: sound, light, matter....everything. Does that not mean that any sound (language?) we make really does influence reality?

[chandler]

I suppose if I yell loud enough it might have some affect on reality (shattered glass, bleeding ears, all that jazz) and in the same way in relation to what I say the world is going to change to some extent (say if I convince someone to do one thing rather than another). Maybe I'm misreading what you're saying but if not then I think you might be missing the point. Sure in the sense that language is a part of reality and thus has a bearing on reality (just like any action someone performs will have an effect) it influences reality. But I was making the point that language influences the way we perceive reality.

I'm not sure if I can get at the difference between our points but I feel there is a fundamental difference that, when realized, will actually make what appears to be a problem a non-issue.

To the extent that language is simply vibration it can only have effect in relation to its magnitude. For example, a loud blast may cause reality to change by causing me to go deaf. This is what I thought you were saying and which I agree with but isn't the point of what I said earlier.

To the extent that language is a SOUND that signifies something it also effects reality. For instance, a siren blaring automatically makes me think that I need to get out of the way. Contrary to the loud blast, the siren actually references something in the real world. (I know that a siren isn't language but just humor me )

In this sense, language as vibration can certainly influence reality by having natural effects (like the loud blast) or tied up in the usage of language it can influence reality by having effects on people which lead them to do things they would not otherwise do.

But in the sense of changing reality as far as the meaning of a word changing the way the world actually is, I think it's false. Reality is the way it is regardless of the words we choose to use. In the car crash example, the glass is NOT broken. But the words used can influence people and change their perception of the accident so that they will believe that the glass IS broken. This isn't changing reality, it's changing perception.

Hopefully that clears up what I meant. I hope it makes sense.

[Arjen]

I mentioned that I agreed with you (and GosHisDead) on the part that language changes the way we understand things. I back that opinion fully. I am merely bringing into the discussion a point of view which has not been "voiced" yet: that vibrations are what is "real" and that our voices can indeed create vibrations. If I would be able to form the right vibrations; would I not influence reality to a great extent? And if this is indeed true; would not my language be instrumental in that?

[chandler]

Maybe I'm missing your point. When you say vibrations what do you mean? vibrations to effect physical reality? vibrations that mean something and so cause people to do something which in turn effects physical reality as well? or vibrations that cause people to understand the world in relation to those vibrations and so influence the perception the people have of the world? or do you mean something else entirely?