Abortion

[Justin]

RuthlessLogic has been issued an infraction with a 5 day ban and will not be warned again about the insults. This is not an intellectual knife fight.

[Mr. Fight the Power]

I would like to point out that I feel cognitive ability to be a very important factor in determining whether abortion (or infanticide for that matter) should be allowed.

Ironically, Ruthless Logic has used the words "cognitive" or "cognition" fourteen times in this thread, and every single one were used to call into question the intelligence of someone who holds a differing opinion.

Not a one was on topic.

[Zetetic11235]

Congnative ability of the fetus? This is iffy, we can't even implement that now.

Or do you mean cognative ability of the policy makers? I don't think that we can solve this problem until we perfect birth control, eliminate all danger associated with the birthing process, educate teens and end rape. Do that and we can ban it all together.

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Originally Posted by Zetetic11235

Congnative ability of the fetus? This is iffy, we can't even implement that now.

Or do you mean cognative ability of the policy makers? I don't think that we can solve this problem until we perfect birth control, eliminate all danger associated with the birthing process, educate teens and end rape. Do that and we can ban it all together.

I mean, if we are to determine when an entity has a right to continue to exist, to life so to speak, we have to consider its mental capabilities.

This is where the abortion argument hinges: when does a person become a person?

[Holiday20310401]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fight the Power

when does a person become a person?

When it has a consciousness. I doubt we do when we are a not born yet.

[Didymos Thomas]

Or do you mean cognative ability of the policy makers? I don't think that we can solve this problem until we perfect birth control, eliminate all danger associated with the birthing process, educate teens and end rape. Do that and we can ban it all together.

Do all of that, and a ban on abortion would be pointless.

[Zetetic11235]

Exactly. Walked straight into that one.

P.S. How the hell do you measure conciousness? What is conciousness? You can't really go by that. Maybe once the brain is developed to 90% in comparision to a healthy baby? Eh..

Why not potential conciousness? I would say because if you go by potential you have to preserve all sperm and eggs. Any better counters?

[Didymos Thomas]

Why not potential conciousness? I would say because if you go by potential you have to preserve all sperm and eggs. Any better counters?

I think my response has been brought up. If we go with potential consciousness, then we are prioritizing potential consciousness above the person who already exists. Or at least the will of the person who already exists.

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Originally Posted by Holiday20310401

When it has a consciousness. I doubt we do when we are a not born yet.

How do we know what does and does not have consciousness? It is entirely possible that we never will.

Evolution News & Views: Materialist Neuroscience and the ‘Hard Problem’ of Consciousness

[Zetetic11235]

We wont solve this until we eliminate any grouds for abortion such as rape, uneducated teens, imperfection of birth control ect. We just have to tackle these problems one at a time and the need for abortion will disappear. The toughest will be ending rape...maybe if all women wear these when going out alone at night? I hope they don't forget to take them out!