A Thought To Remember

[rado]

A THOUGHT TO REMEMBER

This is but a thought universe, an electric record of the thinking of Mind. The reality of you is not in your body. The only interest you should have in your body is the mental interest in building it into the kind of body you would like it to be to manifest you. You build your own body in the image of your Self.

Whatever your Self is, your body will be. Whatever your thoughts are, your body will record, whether balanced or unbalanced, good or bad, sickness or health, misery or supreme happiness. The eternal you is a glorious illumined, divine being. Do you know your Self as that? To the extent that you do know your Self as a glorious, transcendent being, your body will manifest that glory in every cell of it. It cannot help doing so. Electric recordings of thoughts in matter are automatic. It is Law. It never errs.

Forget your body, therefore. Your body will automatically be what your thoughts are. Build a beautiful, healthful, sound, vital body by thinking transcendent thoughts and putting those thoughts into action for the good of your neighbor and the world. Put Mind first, body last. Live in an ecstatic mental reality and make your body conform to the balanced rhythms of ecstasy.

Walter Russell, "The SelfMultiplication Principle"

[Holiday20310401]

I wish my body became what my self is, but the fact is that just isn't true. I think there is a mix up with dreams and reality here.

ANd, I don't want to think transcendent thoughts, I want to be human, to act on basis of right and wrong, not go beyond that.

[rado]

Originally Posted by Holiday20310401

I wish my body became what my self is, but the fact is that just isn't true. I think there is a mix up with dreams and reality here.

Well in my experience it's true. Our bodies are a reflection of our minds, or our "general psychic constitution". Any illness can be healed instantly, by our minds or spirit. Russell proved that to be true himself:

"Just before my second major illumination at the age of fourteen, I was stricken with black diphtheria, which is identical with black plague. Cultures from my throat so blackened a case knife that the three doctors attending me said I could not possibly live, for the functions of my throat were destroyed.
Soon after, these doctors pronounced me dead. The undertakers had arrived. I had no awareness of my body, whatsoever, but while in that state a great ecstasy overwhelmed me with all-knowing Light of Love and, to the amazement of my weeping parents, I arose from my bed perfectly healed. An inspection of my throat showed a perfect normalcy of strong tissue and my weakened body was again strong and vital.
... The memory of ten times ten thousand lives mirrored themselves in Light from their records on my Soul to tell me that my body was still new – that my time of disappearance had not yet come.
It was then given me to know that the power of revitalization of my body was mine, and I, who had been pronounced dead by man, lived strongly in the body."
(Walter Russell, The Message of the Divine Iliad, Vol. II)

Here's another case that clearly demonstrates how powerful our thougts and beliefs are:

Tumors That Melt Like Snowballs on a Hot Stove

Understanding the role such factors play in a placebo's effectiveness is important, for it shows how our ability to control the body holographic is molded by our beliefs. Our minds have the power to get rid of warts, to clear our bronchial tubes, and to mimic the painkilling ability of morphine, but because we are unaware that we possess the power, we must be fooled into using it. This might almost be comic if it were not for the tragedies that often result from our ignorance of our own power.

No incident better illustrates this than a now famous case reported by psychologist Bruno Klopfer. Klopfer was treating a man named Wright who had advanced cancer of the lymph nodes. All standard treatments had been exhausted, and Wright appeared to have little time left. His neck, armpits, chest, abdomen, and groin were filled with tumors the size of oranges, and his spleen and liver were so enlarged that two quarts of milky fluid had to be drained out of his chest every day.

But Wright did not want to die. He had heard about an exciting new drug called Krebiozen, and he begged his doctor to let him try it. At first his doctor refused because the drug was only being tried on people with a life expectancy of at least three months. But Wright was so unrelenting in his entreaties, his doctor finally gave in. He gave Wright an injection of Krebiozen on Friday, but in his heart of hearts he did not expect Wright to last the weekend. Then the doctor went home.

To his surprise, on the following Monday he found Wright out of bed and walking around. Klopfer reported that his tumors had "melted like snowballs on a hot stove" and were half their original size. This was a far more rapid decrease in size than even the strongest X-ray treatments could have accomplished. Ten days after Wright's first Krebiozen treatment, he left the hospital and was, as far as his doctors could tell, cancer free. When he had entered the hospital he had needed an oxygen mask to breathe, but when he left he was well enough to fly his own plane at 12,000 feet with no discomfort.

Wright remained well for about two months, but then articles began to appear asserting that Krebiozen actually had no effect on cancer of the lymph nodes. Wright, who was rigidly logical and scientific in his thinking, became very depressed, suffered a relapse, and was readmitted to the hospital. This time his physician decided to try an experiment. He told Wright that Krebiozen was every bit as effective as it had seemed, but that some of the initial supplies of the drug had deteriorated during shipping. He explained, however, that he had a new highly concentrated version of the drug and could treat Wright with this. Of course the physician did not have a new version of the drug and intended to inject Wright with plain water. To create the proper atmosphere he even went through an elaborate procedure before injecting Wright with the placebo.

Again the results were dramatic. Tumor masses melted, chest fluid vanished, and Wright was quickly back on his feet and feeling great. He remained symptom-free for another two months, but then the American Medical Association announced that a nationwide study of Krebiozen had found the drug worthless in the treatment of cancer. This time Wright's faith was completely shattered. His cancer blossomed anew and he died two days later.

Wright's story is tragic, but it contains a powerful message: When we are fortunate enough to bypass our disbelief and tap the healing forces within us, we can cause tumors to melt away overnight.

In the case of Krebiozen only one person was involved, but there are similar cases involving many more people. Take a chemotherapeutic agent called cis-platinum. When cis-platinum first became available it, too, was touted as a wonder drug, and 75 percent of the people who received it benefited from the treatment. But after the initial wave of excitement and the use of cis-platinum became more routine, its rate of effectiveness dropped to about 25 to 30 percent. Apparently most of the benefit obtained from cis-platinum was due to the placebo effect.
(Michael Talbot, The Holographic Universe)

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rado

[Aedes]

Individual anecdotes that are easy to negate with many other anecdotal counterexamples -- many among my own patients. I've seen people with great attitudes, outlooks, and beliefs who are ravaged by diseases, and people with those same attitudes that do extremely well, better than expected. I've seen depressed pessimists do extremely well with some diseases, and I've seen some do terribly. The mind certainly influences self-care behavior and indeed can affect outcomes. But this tight, causal connection you describe in your long story bears little resemblance to biology or medicine.

And anecdotes are pretty unenlightening in medical practice when both the conditions and observations are uncontrolled. You can put people on chemo regimens and do biopsies to measure percent necrosis within a tumor, as is done for some malignancies. You can do controlled studies with hundreds or thousands of patients to see whether the addition of a chemo drug like cisplatin or cyclophosphamide or adriamycin or methotrexate improves outcomes as compared with regimens that lack this drug. I'd like to see a controlled study that uses the same objective outcome measures and controls the experimenal conditions before I take anecdotes like this seriously.

Let me also add that Walter Russell strikes me as either patently insane or a habitual user of hallucinogens, and I find little that is philosophically insightful in his writings. Just because he proved to himself that he could cure his own illness does not mean that this is believable let alone generalizable -- unless you think his word is somehow divine.

[nameless]

^^^ Kudos!
Besides, I think that the assumed dichotomy of 'self' and the 'body' is both arbitrary and illusory. It all grows from the appearances of the inherent mechanichism of the mind. It 'appears' that there is an 'out there' and an 'in here'. The spook in the machine indeed! 'Machinespook' is One!

[Doobah47]

My opinion at the moment is that for action to occur there must be consciousness - aside from perception a notion of 'knowing' that an action is occurring or should/will occur. So because of this one could say that the molecules of a toenail have consciousness and knowledge and exist with some phenomena of 'mindfulness'. Then we can ask 'what is the difference between the knowledge of a toenail that it is growing (hence knowledge of all relevant necessities) and the knowledge that one's brain decides it must trim the toenail?' I'd say that the two are fundamentally identical, but practically different - our mind has the ability to draw reason from other categories whereas the toenail knows only itself and it's relation to reality; that the mind can draw a reason for acting upon one categorized x from another category of concepts, but a toenail does not have this luxury.

So a molecule could not decide that oxidation is unnattractive because rusting is some kind of death, it will only have knowledge of the process which it undertakes / is forced into.

[Aedes]

Originally Posted by Doobah47

My opinion at the moment is that for action to occur there must be consciousness

And therein you've redefined consciousness in a way that is inconsistent with its use in our language. Considering that there are NO conditions in the universe that lack action at the energetic / subatomic level, barring absolute zero (which may not exist anywhere naturally), this means that everything has consciousness. And if everything has consciousness, the word loses its meaning.

So how do you account for a quark having consciousness in light of the way that word is understood?

So a molecule could not decide that oxidation is unnattractive because rusting is some kind of death, it will only have knowledge of the process which it undertakes / is forced into.

Wherein lies the knowledge that allows Fe2+ to be oxidized but Fe3+ to be reduced? Why do things that have physical qualities also need to be assigned consciousness? It just seems like you're anthropomorphizing here.

[Holiday20310401]

Originally Posted by Doobah47
My opinion at the moment is that for action to occur there must be consciousness

Originally Posted by Aedes

And therein you've redefined consciousness in a way that is inconsistent with its use in our language. Considering that there are NO conditions in the universe that lack action at the energetic / subatomic level, barring absolute zero (which may not exist anywhere naturally), this means that everything has consciousness.

But perhaps Doobah is refering to the need for a consciousness for perception of actions.

Beside the point, Conscience is a force of our intentions, and we act upon our will, right? (though we may not always intend upon our conscience, it is not the only force).
Therefore, our actions do not require a consciousness. We do not have to perceive our actions in order to act, though it would make sense for consciousness to be required for intentions.

[rado]

Originally Posted by Aedes

And therein you've redefined consciousness in a way that is inconsistent with its use in our language. Considering that there are NO conditions in the universe that lack action at the energetic / subatomic level, barring absolute zero (which may not exist anywhere naturally), this means that everything has consciousness. And if everything has consciousness, the word loses its meaning.

I think the idea of unconsciousness versus consciousness stems from our inability to remember where our consciousness is when we're not "awake". Even when we sleep, we're conscious about many of our dreams. But we're usually not conscious about (or remember) where our consciousness is 24/7 (though some claim it's possible to become so).

Originally Posted by Aedes

Wherein lies the knowledge that allows Fe2+ to be oxidized but Fe3+ to be reduced? Why do things that have physical qualities also need to be assigned consciousness? It just seems like you're anthropomorphizing here.

Many of the greatest religions, philosophies and spiritual schools, even some scientists, seem to agree that all things are conscious or that mind or consiousness is the primary factor/cause in reality. Some examples:


The quantum physicist David Bohm:

"Mind and matter are inseparable, in the sense that everything is permeated with meaning. The whole idea of the somasignificant or signasomatic is that at no stage are mind and matter ever separated. There are differelt levels of mind. Even the electron is informed with a certain level of mind". - "Quantum Implications" p. 443


Hinduism:

...the entire universe is a manifestation of pure consciousness. In manifesting the universe, this pure consciousness seems to become divided into two poles or aspects, neither of which can exist without the other. One aspect retains a static quality and remains identified with unmanifest consciousness. In tantra this quality is called Shiva, and is conceptualized as masculine.... The other part of this polarity is a dynamic, energetic, or creative aspect that is called Shakti, the great mother of the universe, for it is from her that all is born (Rama 27).


Hermetic Philosophy:

I. THE PRINCIPLE OF MENTALISM.

"THE ALL is MIND; The Universe is Mental." –The Kybalion.

This Principle embodies the truth that "All is Mind." It explains that THE ALL (which is the Substantial Reality underlying all the outward manifestations and appearances which we know under the terms of "The Material Universe"; the "Phenomena of Life"; "Matter"; "Energy"; and in short, all that is apparent to our material senses) is SPIRIT, which in itself is UNKNOWABLE and UNDEFINABLE, but which may be considered and thought of as AN UNIVERSAL, INFINITE, LIVING MIND. It also explains that all the phenomenal world or universe is simply a Mental Creation of THE ALL, subject to the Laws of Created Things, and that the universe, as a whole, and in its parts or units, has its existence in the Mind of THE ALL, in which Mind we "live and move and have our being." This Principle, by establishing the Mental Nature of the Universe, easily explains all of the varied mental and psychic phenomena that occupy such a large portion of the public attention, and which, without such explanation, are non-understandable and defy scientific treatment. An understanding of this great Hermetic Principle of Mentalism enables the individual to readily grasp the laws of the Mental Universe, and to apply the same to his well-being and advancement.


Russell Cosmogony:

Mind is the universe. It is all that is, ever was or ever will be.
Mind is a substance, a material substance. The substance of Mind is the foundation of creation.
It is the seed of the universe. In the seed of the universe is the whole of the universe.
The substance of universal Mind has no beginning, no ending and no bounds.
It is all intelligent, all-powerful and all-present.
The One substance is absolutely frictionless, temperatureless, non-compressable, non-expandable, non-absorbent, non-reflectant, non­resistant and non-refractive; but, potentially, it contains the appearance of all these qualities through the dynamic action of those opposing forces within it which cause it to be a thinking substance in motion.


The spiritual teacher Seth:

"the atoms that compose the fetus have their own kind of consciousness....the volatile awareness-consciousnesses that exist independently of matter, form matter according to their own ability and degree. The fetus has simple component consciousness made up of the atoms that compose it. This exists before any reincarnating personality enters it. The consciousness of matter is present in any matter---a fetus, a rock, a blade of grass, a nail."


Rado

[socrato]

Originally Posted by rado

A THOUGHT TO REMEMBER

This is but a thought universe, an electric record of the thinking of Mind. The reality of you is not in your body. The only interest you should have in your body is the mental interest in building it into the kind of body you would like it to be to manifest you. You build your own body in the image of your Self.

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Finally someone who understands that thoughts are just an "electric record of the thinking of Mind" Whenever I have to explain this to someone like my grandma who is religious they don't believe it.