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Old 11-02-2008, 09:07 PM
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

The best way to rule a country is obviously that which best serves the people of that country.
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Old 11-03-2008, 09:31 AM
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

Well, since people are imperfect and perfection seems to be the goal here I therefore nominate my Cat to decide. His name is Frank and he likes cheese.

And yea, I'd have to agree that it's more about the 'administrators' themselves than any particular form of government. Except for a religious monarchy, I think any form - well done - could work just fine.

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Old 11-18-2008, 03:46 AM
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

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Since we cant have a super-human to help us, we have no choice today but to take use of democracy.
But democracy is the rule of averages, so by definition is less efficient then a ruling elite.
And the Original question was the most efficient way to run a country, without stating what the business of countries is, so how can we evaluate effiecincy? Consider Nazi germany, very efficient in that it was mobilized towards one goal, but inefficient in the blood price paid for that.

I see no real need for countries, soon technology will advance us to self sufficiency, and with it true autonomy. Without the need to pledge alegience to the better judgement of the rulers (Be they one or many) people can work towards achieving personal growth in thier own way
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

Why would a religious monarchy, specifically, fail, when all other systems, "well done", could work just fine?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by religious monarchy... perhaps a monarch who claims divine right, or perhaps something closer to the traditional Tibetan model. Either way, I do not see how either of these models will fail while other models will thrive with the proper administration. I agree that the administrators are more important than the system, so what is it about this one particular system that causes it to fail despite good administration?
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Old 11-19-2008, 11:01 AM
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

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The best way to rule a country is obviously that which best serves the people of that country.
Hello Franc. My two cents.

For what it's worth, IMO, I think the more important question is how to "manage" a planet. The work "rule" has never set real good with human beings in that many who "choose" to rule have no right to rule. Whether is be through "free elections" in which the manipulation of language is use to "sway" the majority to vote one way or the other using wit, guile and deceit being choreographed by those of power who hide in the background with agenda’s of their own, such as ruling the world.

The "ruling elite" will never see eye to eye as long as national sovereignty exist’s that needs a powerful military to defend it. We expend all our time and energy defending that sovereignty, rather than seeking those commonalities that will bring us together as a global community. For that to happen the wit, guile and manipulation’s we utilize to "get what we want" will have to be replace with a truth that has never existed in the world. I promise you, I don’t have those answer’s, but I can assure you those answer’s are out there once we begin to think globally and use those "human minds and resources"

in a collective effort to develop that "management".
There is no "altruism" behind power. It’s only ambition is to maintain that power for it’s sake only. It is a disease, so to speak, and the only cure is to cut off it’s food supply. Those are those material "assets" it has "amassed" that allow it to control the minds and actions of others to do it’s bidding. It’s always been that way and that is the root of all our problems.

Perhaps, I am a bit of an idealist, but I refuse to get bogged down in accepting the status quo as a "natural occurrence" that must be allowed to evolve "naturally" as if we are helpless to do anything about it. When we come to the realization the "amassing" of anything deemed "materialistically valuable" to be used as leverage to promote any agenda is wrong in a finite eco-system such as the planet Earth. I, for one have never had a desire to "amass" anything. Never in my life. Perhaps that makes me "strange". I don’t know. All I have ever desired it what I personally needed to get me from one day to the next such a food, shelter, clothing, transportation, warmth in the winter, comfort in the summer, access to medical care, recreation and travel (both leisurely and educationally), education and the ability to offer whatever I could that would give me a since of belonging in that offering. I have never wanted "more". Sure, it would be nice to have more, it’s just that I never wanted "more". Go figure?

What is important here is my compulsion to understand what it was about other’s that "compelled" them to want more? Because it seems to me there is no end to the addiction once it take’s hold. Like I said, I never had it, so naturally I have spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. There is only so much to go around, why would I want more than my fair share? Why would anyone?

In the process of reaching those explanations, I came to realized most people are just like me, it’s just that they have just been "programmed"to want more. Now not all people, but remember, I was born and reared in the good ole USA. In this country, it’s not who you are, it’s what you "have" that gives you worth. If you don’t have "stuff" you don’t count. IMO. Stuff is a disease in this country. Stuff defines us. We have got stuff running out our ears, and what is so very, very sad most of it is cluttering our attic’s, closets, garages, our landfills because most are addicted to stuff for it is that stuff they have been programmed to believe that will bring happiness to their overworked lives.

To me, it would seem we would understand there are two things that are seriously out of balance on the planet Earth. The resources that the Earth provides and the people on it. Of course we are, IMO, it’s most valuable resource. And it is the equitable use of those two resources that must be addressed and it "HAS" to be a global, cooperative effort. Once we realize the acquisition of "stuff" is not the answer, we will begin to bring about that balance.

So to answer the question this thread addresses, we are not going to find an answer that will come of "rule, command, threats, or power", in that those have never worked and IMO, never will. What I have said and will continue to repeat, the reason why we don’t address the truth is because we are all going to be dead and it really just doesn’t matter. Tell that to the children you bring into the world. Let’s hear what they have to say about it. Let’s just continue raping the planet and let our kid’s fend for themselves.
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

In my opinion, none of the governments that we have are working very well. My opinion would be to mix Democracy with Absolutism, where there is an executive government that takes petitions as a major influence. The current leaders would appoint vice leaders to take over after thier resignation/death. So long as the appointees were anonymous to the leaders and the first leaders appointed had the true interests of the country at heart, an effective government for the people could be established.
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

In my opinon, we should create a minarchist government, which is sufficent to protect the liberty and property of each other. In no way should we create some uptopian state which aim's to create positive liberty's for it's citizens as this will only lead to the gradual decrease of people's negative liberty. It should be strongly democratic, but the constitution should be very limiting of Government power as we should hope for the best but prepare for the worst.
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

Without a doubt, a compartmentalized, Fascist state. The highest rulers are the only ones privy to important information. Every other branch and office will only need to know the minimum, to run their compartment without too much criticism.

Any real Science and technology are reserved for the corporations and the followers of them. Oh and make sure that money is held higher then ideologies. With that in place, it can be used to manipulate any ideal that comes along.

To me, that seems to be the best way to rule a country.
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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

Well, secular democracy assumes that people are not religious, and nowadays I have consistantly heard that belief in God is evidence of 'schizophrenia'. Given that for almost all of our history, religion has been the cornerstone of society, and 'modern' society would collapse into a greedy pit of debt and disintegration without religion, I can only shudder.

Demonocracy?
The illusion of choice. An inequitous rule by corruption if ever there was one. The Nazi's were elected in a demonocracy. And as the election of Bush II shows, it does not even succeed in pretending to be rule by vote anyway.

If the secular legal system underpinning demonocracy cannot tell the difference between a man and a woman, how on Earth can I trust it to give an honest vote? After all, if you believe only in you own survival, you will lie cheat and steal to get into power, especially when all you have to do is share your corruption with the corrupt legal system to 'stop the recount'. Such ideas are random mutations at best and will consume themselves within a handful of generations.

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Re: Whats the best way to rule a country?

I think it is good how it is now. A democratic-republic.
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