Atheists...

[Holiday20310401]

We need faith because we cannot always know everything, and we wish to understand. Now, where the supernatural comes in is when I feel people can get all circular and delusional absolutely. Supernatural is a relative term.

[boagie]

Bill Maher!

YouTube - Bill Maher on Religion

YouTube - George Carlin - Religion is bullshit.

[xris]

thanks for some light entertainment for a change..It reminds me of the time in a disused church with a born again christian who had tried converting me...i denied god in a very loud voice..in church..oh my ..he realy thought i was going to be struck by lightning..I was there to buy the timber by the way..

[MITech]

Ethical Atheist's Ten Commandments

[boagie]

Originally Posted by SantaMonica1369

Is God dead, or did he never exist?
How does your reasoning for being an athiest go?

SantaMonica,

First I would say, where is the object of your belief, the fact that it cannot be pointed to would lead me then to ask, what are the logical inferences that inform your faith that such an object does indeed exist, seeing as there are no logical, read rational inferences, I am left in disbelief, thus termed atheist.

[OctoberMist]

Both George Carlin's arguments and those of Bill Maher are based on logical fallacies.

I apologize to all in this thread for Boagie's senseless pandering to Bill Maher. I have repeatedly pointed out to him the error of his ways in this matter, but he ran away from the argument with his tail between his legs -- because he knows he is wrong and cannot support his position.

Read it here:

http://www.philosophyforum.com/forum...l-maher-3.html

The arguments against religion used by Maher shows only the most extreme religious fundamentalists. -- I agree that these people are CRAZY. But they do not represent everyone who: has faith in God or follows a religion.

Most religious people are moderates who actually agree that fundamentalists are crazy.

Please excuse Boagie. He is a fundamentalist atheist and has little, if any, actual knowledge about theism and religion.

[boagie]

"It seems like your major target in this movie are the religious extremists, those who belong to the fundamentalist camps of various different religions.

That’s not really true, that’s not really true. I mean, take Sen. Pryor — I don’t think he’d consider himself a fundamentalist. I think he’s like a majority of Americans. I mean, 60 percent of Americans believe the Noah’s ark story to be literally true. To me, that’s mainstream. When people say, “You’re going after extremists,” I say, well, to be religious at all is to be an extremist. It’s to be extremely irrational. Not that everybody believes in Noah’s ark, or the guy who lived to be 900 years old. But even to believe the central story of Christianity — a lot of people would say, “I’m not like those kooks out in Kansas who believe the Earth is 5,000 years old. But I do believe God has a son, who he sent down to earth on a suicide mission, and he said, ‘Hey, Jesus, I’m sending you on this suicide mission, but don’t worry, they can’t kill you because you’re really me.’ I, God the father — wink, wink — let’s split up the work! OK? Because there’s two of us, but not really! I’ll go down to Earth first and I’ll see if I can’t impregnate a Palestinian woman so she can give birth to you.” It’s just a silly a story. We’re just used to it." - Bill Maher

[Didymos Thomas]

Let's cool the derogatory comments, folks.

It's one thing to point out a logical fallacy, and another thing to commit one yourself in the process (namely, ad hominem).

[OctoberMist]

To All...

boagie said:

"It seems like your major target in this movie are the religious extremists, those who belong to the fundamentalist camps of various different religions.
That’s not really true, that’s not really true. I mean, take Sen. Pryor — I don’t think he’d consider himself a fundamentalist. I think he’s like a majority of Americans. I mean, 60 percent of Americans believe the Noah’s ark story to be literally true. To me, that’s mainstream. When people say, “You’re going after extremists,” I say, well, to be religious at all is to be an extremist. It’s to be extremely irrational. Not that everybody believes in Noah’s ark, or the guy who lived to be 900 years old. But even to believe the central story of Christianity — a lot of people would say, “I’m not like those kooks out in Kansas who believe the Earth is 5,000 years old. But I do believe God has a son, who he sent down to earth on a suicide mission, and he said, ‘Hey, Jesus, I’m sending you on this suicide mission, but don’t worry, they can’t kill you because you’re really me.’ I, God the father — wink, wink — let’s split up the work! OK? Because there’s two of us, but not really! I’ll go down to Earth first and I’ll see if I can’t impregnate a Palestinian woman so she can give birth to you.” It’s just a silly a story. We’re just used to it." Bill Maher

Once again, rather than responding directly to my argument, this particular user has quoted Bill Maher.

The reason I point this out is not to Ad Hominem this particular user but to point out to all the lack of reasoning and proper response that certain atheists use when challenged on their positions.

They are quite adept at slamming religion and theism, but when their position is challenged, suddenly they find themselves mute. A most peculiar circumstance, indeed.

Is their argument so weak that they are incapable of constucting a direct response to challenges to it? -- You be the judge.

I leave it in your hands.

[OctoberMist]

Didymos Thomas said:

Let's cool the derogatory comments, folks.

Fair enough. I will no longer refer to Boagie by name when pointing out the sad rationalizations of certain atheists on this site.

It's one thing to point out a logical fallacy, and another thing to commit one yourself in the process (namely, ad hominem).

Ah, so it's ok to use a Hasty Generalization but using an Ad Hominem is not acceptable? Is that your position? -- Just curious.