Atheists...

[boagie]

Aren't you just sore because you thnk your losing your imaginary friend!
My daughter had an imaginary friend, and years later neither of us could recall the name of that imaginary friend, it was lost to her formative years.

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[boagie]

Speaking of candles in the dark!

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[Zetetic11235]

Boagie,
You generaly seem to be a reasonable fellow. Might I suggest that this subject is a bit too personal for you, such that it is preventing you from having a reasonable discussion on the matter?

Perhaps it would be best for you to take a step back and away from this thread for a bit, lest you allow your predjudices to leak into your otherwise competent style of argumentation.

[boagie]

That's truely creative!! The only way to prove to me that religion, the popular brand, is honest, is to prove this fairy god father is a reality. The ignorant majority, can nolonger silence, as time for sanity has come.

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[Zetetic11235]

As you know, spamming is frowned upon by this forum. It is quite odd that a staff member act in gross disregard of this. Com'on, Boagie, is it really necessary?

I don't know if you are living in some fantasy world where everyone is an fundamentalist evangelical christian and if there were no evangelical christians the world would be a better place and all of the problems associated with fundamentalist evangelicals would dissappear, but at least don't be a hippocrite. Stop this goofy "Do as I say not as I do" rhetoric. Stop shoving your ideas in our faces after calling it a vice, stop ignoring reasonable counter argument unless there is a phrase in it you can bend to your benefit as the people about whom you complain would.

I gave you all the niceties I have to offer, I am done. You should be temporarily banned for spamming or this thread should be closed. I am sure you get some leeway, being a staff member and all, but you're still acting against forum rules, and being really obnoxious to boot. I look foreward to you ignoreing my comment.

[boagie]

This is the grounds you wish to silence me on----------yes?

Your main objections to the expression of a distaste for religion in general is that it is what you have chosen to identify with, and as long as there is one person in the world that a generalization does not apply to, you think it ample reason to supress free expression across the board, at least with this particular topic.

All right sports, there is enough viewing available to keep you busy for awhile. The devil made me do it!!


Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis."
(Sigmund Freud / 1856-1939 / The Future of an Illusion / 1927)

[Zetetic11235]

Originally Posted by boagie

This is the grounds you wish to silence me on----------yes?

Yes, you are making a fool of yourself, and I am asking you to stop it.

Originally Posted by boagie

Your main objections to the expression of a distaste for religion in general is that it is what you have chosen to identify with, and as long as there is one person in the world that a generalization does not apply to, you think it ample reason to supress free expression across the board, at least with this particular topic.

No, I am saying that generalzations of the kind you promote are as dangerous as they are false. You are taking a small minority, one group, belonging to one sect of a single religion, and saying that "It is bad, evil, false ect, therefore all religion is bad, therefore I am justified in my beliefs." Do not attack the group, attack the behavior, for it is found elsewhere.

I don't generally get along with the religious, I have too different a worldview, however this is no grounds on which to attack them. My worldview is generally a sacrifice of the comfort of a false truth or cohesive world view in order that I try remain minimally subjective. Opinions can be quite dangerous things and most often are false all around. The best thing to do when an opinion comes your way is to try to cut it in half, and ask the same of everyone else....in my opinion.

Originally Posted by boagie

Religion is comparable to a childhood neurosis."
(Sigmund Freud / 1856-1939 / The Future of an Illusion / 1927)

Anyone with even a cursory understanding of psychology knows that Freud's ideas are generally outmoded.

[boagie]

You have not been listening, these posts are not directed at a single individual, a single sect, a single domination, a single church, a single religion, they are directed at all the irrational faiths around the world, it is saying it is time to get a grip people, we as a global community cannot afford that you continue on with this **it!! If there was a crime for stupidity how would you go about locking this many people up.

President Bush sr says, atheists should not be considered citizens nor should they be consider patriots. Spoken like a true Christian! This was the president of the United States, not just some **it faced redneck.

[Zetetic11235]

Originally Posted by boagie

You have not been listening, .

well, you would indeed know, you are the master.

Originally Posted by boagie

these posts are not directed at a single individual, a single sect, a single domination, a single church, a single religion, they are directed at all the irrational faiths around the world, it is saying it is time to get a grip people, we as a global community cannot afford that you continue on with this **it!! If there was a crime for stupidity how would you go about locking this many people up.

Then why are all of the quotes and people under criticism evangelical christians? You are a humanist correct? You are concerned with eliminating religion because you percieve it to be draging everyone down? But is it not simply another arbitrary morality that you are imposing? Somthing which you have no basis for but tradition?

Do you think that humanity can be perfected? That another slew problems would not emerge, as though a hydra and take the place of it? If so it is your optimism, I should think, that steers you away from religion. I know those who believe in a higher power simply because they feel they cannot live in a universe where humans are the paragon of organization and achievement.

I ask you this, for it is the logical conclusion of what you seem to believe. If there was a system which would guarantee maximal good for the totality of humanity, and you had to give up certain freedoms(most of them) in order for it to work, would you do it?

Originally Posted by boagie

President Bush sr says, atheists should not be considered citizens nor should they be consider patriots. Spoken like a true Christian! This was the president of the United States, not just some **it faced redneck.

He was both, and that was the eighties. God I hate Reagan. And the eighties.

[boagie]

Zetetic,

Actually I have not pinpointed anyone or any group if you wish to identify with the generalized discreption of irrationality, its your process go to it.
The reason Christianity is prominent I guess, let me see, could it be that Christianity is the major religion of north amercia. No I am not a humanist, would you like me to be? What purpose would that serve? Would I do it, I have done it and I hope to do it again, no seriously, if I was to fulcrum point for the well being of the world, yes I think I would give up much to that end. You guys want this to be personal, that is what your working towards, if its personal you have a right to take offense, but sadly for you two, it is not personal, silly is just plain silly it apparently has universal appeal.