Atheists...

[andykelly]

But thats the point boagie I don't claim to know and neither am I going to pretend I do - and least of all theres no way I'm going to buy some dogma off the shelf and use that to do my thinking for me. Sure I have my hunches but don't we all. All I'm saying is I leave the door open as who am I to close it.

[boagie]

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I've heard the call. I believe God wants me to run for president.
-- George W. Bush, quoted in George Magazine, September, 2000

“I would like to thank Providence and the Almighty for choosing me of all people to be allowed to wage this battle for Germany.”
-- Adolf Hitler

A person who is guided by God will never be misguided by anyone.
-- Osama Bin Laden

We’re being guided by God.
-- Bush speechwriter Michael Gerson

George Bush was not elected by a majority of the voters in the United States. He was appointed by God.
-- Lt. Gen. William Boykin, the defense undersecretary in charge of hunting down top terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan

Nothing [Bush] does can be challenged on moral grounds, however unethical or evil it might appear, because all of his actions are directed by God. He can twist the truth, oppress the poor, exalt the rich, despoil the earth, ignore the law--and murder children--without the slightest compunction, the briefest moment of doubt or self-reflection, because he believes, he truly believes, that God squats in his brainpan and tells him what to do.
-- Chris Floyd, CounterPunch, 7/30/03



No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered as patriots. This is one nation under God.
-- George Bush Sr., to a reporter in 1988


"A tyrant must put on the appearance of uncommon devotion to religion. Subjects are less apprehensive of illegal treatment from a ruler whom they consider to be God-fearing and pious."
-- Aristotle, 343 B.C.


He [God] is using me, all the time, everywhere, to stand up for a biblical worldview in everything that I do and everywhere I am.
-- House Majority Leader Tom DeLay
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If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier -- so long as I'm the dictator.
--George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000


"Why is this man in the White House? The majority of Americans did not vote for him. Why is he there? And I tell you this morning that he's in the White House because God put him there for a time such as this."
--Lt Gen William Boykin, speaking of G. W. Bush, New York Times, 17 October 2003


"He [Rumsfeld] leads in a way that the Good Lord tells him is best for our country."
-- Marine General Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff


God gave the savior to the German people. We have faith, deep and unshakeable faith, that he was sent to us by God to save Germany.
--Hermann Goering, speaking of Hitler


The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ.
--D. James Kennedy, Coral Ridge Ministries, 1993


The Constitution of the United States, for instance, is a marvelous document for self-government by the Christian people. But the minute you turn the document into the hands of non-Christian people and atheistic people they can use it to destroy the very foundation of our society. And that's what's been happening.
--Pat Robertson


The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians.
--Pat Robertson


I think we ought to close Halloween down. Do you want your children to dress up as witches? The Druids used to dress up like this when they were doing human sacrifice... [Your children] are acting out Satanic rituals and participating in it, and don't even realize it.
--Pat Robertson


Get the few liberals out. If you don't do it, it ain't gonna be done. You will be doing the Lord's work, and he will richly bless you for it.
--Sen. James Inhofe, R-Oklahoma, Christian Coalition's Road to Victory Conference, 2002, Washington D.C


If I do not return to the pulpit this weekend, millions of people will go to hell.
-- Jimmy Swaggart

[Zetetic11235]

Boagie,

Christoper Floyd is a critic of bush's, that comment was tongue and cheek, you might want to research the background of those you quote. Here Chris Floyd Online .

Again, Hitler was privately very anti-christian and saw theology as a tool by which he could, and did , manipulate the masses.

I think i the case of Rev. Pat Robinson, all is given light in this video Pat Robertson's Age-Defying Shake.

Im not sure what your point is with those quotes, that people can twist any words to their own twisted purpose? Why limit it to religin, how about Mao Tse Tung or Stalin? Maybe Pol Pot? How about Robert Mugabe?

Now what of these quotes

Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
REVEREND Martin Luther King

Have we not come to such an impasse in the modern world that we must love our enemies - or else? The chain reaction of evil - hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars - must be broken, or else we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.
Martin Luther King, Jr.

Peace will not come out of a clash of arms but out of justice lived

and done by unarmed nations in the face of odds.

Democracy and violence can ill go together.
Evolution of democracy is not possible if we are not prepared to hear the other side.

A coward is incapable of exhibiting love; it is the prerogative of the brave.

Hatred ever kills, love never dies; such is the vast difference between the two.
What is obtained by love is retained for all time. What is obtained by hatred proves
a burden in reality for it increases hatred.
Non-cooperation with evil is a sacred duty.
Nonviolence is the greatest force at the disposal of mankind.
It is mightier than the mightiest weapon of destruction devised by the ingenuity of man
The weak can never forgive.
Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong.
What kind of victory is it when someone is left defeated?
-Ghandi

"True religion is not a narrow dogma. It is not external observance. It is faith in God and living in the presence of God. It means faith in a future life, in truth and Ahimsa…. Religion is a matter of the heart. No physical inconvenience can warrant abandonment of one's own religion."-Ghandi

"Hinduism as I know it entirely satisfies my soul, fills my whole being … When doubts haunt me, when disappointments stare me in the face, and when I see not one ray of light on the horizon, I turn to the Bhagavad Gita, and find a verse to comfort me; and I immediately begin to smile in the midst of overwhelming sorrow. My life has been full of tragedies and if they have not left any visible and indelible effect on me, I owe it to the teachings of the Bhagavad Gita." -Ghandi

Clearly hate speech: 10 Great Quotes from Jesus of Nazareth | Ross Kendall

Clearly the words of madmen, correct? Fairy Tales and nonsense, correct?

I am not religious, but I can't stand sophistry, and I will do my best to cut it down.

[boagie]

Zetetic,

This is not hate materal,This is from the mouths of believers in power themselves, It just shows how dangerous this kind of thinking can be. I suppose you do not think Islam is dangerous either, we differ in opinion, if it displeases you that is unfortunate, it is what it is.


"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross."
- Sinclair Lewis

Like the present administration!! boagie



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[Holiday20310401]

Hitler actually got a lot of companionship with the Jews while he wanted to be a painter, and in prison. It was all in Hitler's mind, he was insane.

Religion itself doesn't offer danger; its the people who have the ambition for power and find a collective cause, like religion to come to power, and takes away coalesced virtue, which is a threat.

Islam is not dangerous, the Qu'ran has as much immorality as the bible, but its the islam extremists desiring power and using their religion as a tool for their rise.

Islam is old now, so its rise because of somebody wanting power has nothing to do with it; unless I suppose the islam extremists are tainting the Qu'ran, changing the religion entirely to advocate for their desires and position. Kind of like what King James did. lol.

[Zetetic11235]

Boagie,

Doctrines are not dangerous, people are dangerous. Dangerous people make the doctrines dangerous and use their authority to evil, mad, destructive ends.

By the same token, good men and women use the same doctrines to peaceful, liberating, and constructive, unifying ends.

The fact of the matter is that there would be dangerous madmen and saints with or without religous doctrines. It is the nature of the human race to spawn these entities.

I am quite convinced by your response that you hear and see what you want to.

[Zetetic11235]

Holiday, that is what they are indeed doing, repressing mederate muslims and poisoning the minds of the children. Did you know that 50 years ago if you walked thorugh Iran, you would probably not see a single burqa?

In fact, were it not for U.S. intervention, the Iranian people would have far more freedom under a limited monarchy. The man who would be heir to the Iranian throne seems to me quite benevolent. Just check it out: Reza Pahlavi - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[boagie]

Zetetic,

"Doctrines are not dangerous, people are dangerous. Dangerous people make the doctrines dangerous and use their authority to evil, mad, destructive ends."

Agreed if there were no people doctrines would harmless.

"By the same token, good men and women use the same doctrines to peaceful, liberating, and constructive, unifying ends."

That is fine as long as they keep it out of my face, politically speaking.

"The fact of the matter is that there would be dangerous madmen and saints with or without religous doctrines. It is the nature of the human race to spawn these entities."

Yes but these entities do some of the finest work with these harmless religious doctrines, you wish for people to be politically blind to the powers controlling their lives.

I am quite convinced by your response that you hear and see what you want to.

You are quite right, and I love your rose coloured glasses.

[Zetetic11235]

Originally Posted by boagie

Zetetic,

"Doctrines are not dangerous, people are dangerous. Dangerous people make the doctrines dangerous and use their authority to evil, mad, destructive ends."

Agreed if there were no people doctrines would harmless.
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And were there no madmen, it would be true as well.

~p-->D (if there are no people, then the doctrine is harmless)

F T T If there are people, then the doctrine is stil harmless can come from that, it is not excluded.

Originally Posted by boagie

"By the same token, good men and women use the same doctrines to peaceful, liberating, and constructive, unifying ends."

That is fine as long as they keep it out of my face, politically speaking.
.

Then do not present your face.

Originally Posted by boagie

"The fact of the matter is that there would be dangerous madmen and saints with or without religous doctrines. It is the nature of the human race to spawn these entities."

Yes but these entities do some of the finest work with these harmless religious doctrines, you wish for people to be politically blind to the powers controlling their lives.

No, I simply wish that those powers be recognized for what they are, and they are not 'The Religious'. Atheism doesn't even have a role in this! Even many people of the christian faith think that the men you cite are crazy!

Maybe this has not been your experience, maybe ever religous or spiritual person you have ever met has been cut of this cloth. If not I hardly see the need for such hostility.

Once again, that people with ill intent and fools alike take to these doctrines does not undermine their value to those who find good in them and want to share this good with others. If someone really, truly, finds value in an idea, then they often want to share it and this is an admirable trait.

Once again, the misuse of doctrines is not limited to religious doctrines. Look at the rise to power of many communist leaders.

Originally Posted by boagie

I am quite convinced by your response that you hear and see what you want to.

You are quite right, and I love your rose coloured glasses.

[boagie]

The righteous crusade is upon me I take it, you people may silence an individual here or there, but the pots already a boil. High yourself there Thomas! Hail hail the gangs all here!!

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