The Human Instinct

[William]

I have mentioned this in a few in my posts as to "man’s instinct" and I just wanted to expound on it a little to see what anyone else thinks.


As we observe everything but ourselves on the planet we see an intact program that totally defines that life form. It doesn’t matter what it is, from a single celled organism to the Great Ape their purpose is well defined. Now they don’t think like we do or I’m sure the Vulture would figure out a way to change his eating habits, or the fly would stay clear of human’s bearing fly swatter’s. Their live’s are pretty much cut and dried. They live harmonious with each other, with a few exceptions, such as the Preying Mantis and the Black Widow Spider, but for the most part everything is harmonious. My question is do you think we have such a destiny? Are we not on a journey to develop that "instinct" so very tattooed in the program of all other life forms?

Can we exist without this so very observable harmonic paradigm that it seems everything else is hooked into. Thanks for considering it, those of you that do.

William

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by William

As we observe everything but ourselves on the planet we see an intact program that totally defines that life form. It doesn’t matter what it is, from a single celled organism to the Great Ape their purpose is well defined.

This isn't going to turn into an Intelligent Design discussion, is it?

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

This isn't going to turn into an Intelligent Design discussion, is it?

Let's just see where it goes. I seems like a logical question to me. Now personally I don't think there is a "design" involved that has a beginning, middle and end, pre-programmed kinda thing. Of course I don't know all there is about the universe either. This question was one I gathered from my reasoning and observation. So, having said that, do what you will with it.

William

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by William

They live harmonious with each other, with a few exceptions, such as the Preying Mantis and the Black Widow Spider, but for the most part everything is harmonious

I disagree with this premise, as would a wildlife biologist. It would be incorrect to say that wolves live harmoniously with deer, or that snakes live in harmony with small rodents.

And what of territorial behavior among virtually all species? Wolf packs will kill other wolf packs that encroach on their turf, as will most primates.

Perhaps I'm missing the point of what you are trying to say....

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

I disagree with this premise, as would a wildlife biologist. It would be incorrect to say that wolves live harmoniously with deer, or that snakes live in harmony with small rodents.

And what of territorial behavior among virtually all species? Wolf packs will kill other wolf packs that encroach on their turf, as will most primates.

Perhaps I'm missing the point of what you are trying to say....

Sorry if it was confusing. Wolve's as it relates to wolve's. Snake's as it relates to snakes. Just because we are different races we still are "Earthlings". Protecting one's territory is a survival technique. It should only exist in the "animal" kingdom, but unfortunately it does exist in ours also. But for entirely different reasons. It exist's in ours only because we do not communicate as we should. We are smarter than the wolf and we must realize this planet is for all us as we will learn one day to communicate, trust, and depend on each other. We are the Pack. All of us. There is no other pack to fight. We are it. Yes we are of different races, cultures, faiths speaking different languages. That, hopefully one day will end for we all have one thing in common. This Earth is our home and we all have a right to be here. We just need to learn to get along. That's all. Yea, I know. Easier said than done. Let's just keep our finger crossed and hope we come to our senses before we really screw things up. Once we do that we will begin to harmonize just as the wolf treats another wolf like a wolf. Let's hope we learn as human being's to treat ofther human being's like human being's.

William

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by William

Protecting one's territory is a survival technique. It should only exist in the "animal" kingdom, but unfortunately it does exist in ours also. But for entirely different reasons. It exist's in ours only because we do not communicate as we should.

(Let me play grumpy middle-aged man for a moment . . .)

I think it's more complicated than that.
Good communication does not change the fact that we live on an earth with finite resources, and the more of us there are the faster those resources deplete. Our inherent survival instinct compels us to make sure that we get our piece of those resources, and once we have it, to hang on to it. It's pure survival, and it overrides everything else. It is key to our evolutionary survival. It's Darwinism at its most basic level, and hardwired into our very cells.

[jgweed]

"That I, considering everywhere/Her secret meaning in her deeds"

writes Tennyson of Nature. Men look at Nature, and see in it either harmony, sweetness and light/ or see it as "red in tooth and claw."

But it is this ability to interpret natural events as Nature that separates man from that which he interprets. To the extent that man provides meaning to the world, man stands apart from it and is able to understand and hence control whatever instinctual (and natural) part he might perhaps share with it.

[SummyF]

Nature is greater than the world in which we live in. And if we decide that humans are greater that the natural settings which we live in. Our purpose is to evolve into a greater species, by knowledge

so my point is human nature/instinct is essence is attempt to understand space and time

Our instinct can be seen as our subconscious, and if we can see humanity as whole with a subconscious. then instinct would evolve into the ability to want to learn.

look at technology, society, and human structure

what is it for?

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

(Let me play grumpy middle-aged man for a moment . . .)

I think it's more complicated than that.
Good communication does not change the fact that we live on an earth with finite resources, and the more of us there are the faster those resources deplete. Our inherent survival instinct compels us to make sure that we get our piece of those resources, and once we have it, to hang on to it. It's pure survival, and it overrides everything else. It is key to our evolutionary survival. It's Darwinism at its most basic level, and hardwired into our very cells.

Ok, grumpy middle aged man, Ha. We don't have a clue as to all the resources the Earth has to offer and we won't as long as we are not divinely communicating. The fact that our economic system is base on the rarity of object value is the problem. Once that is eliminated we will be amazed at what we can acconplish. There is so much we "don't" do because it is not "economically feasible". Then change the system and for that to happen there needs to be trust and that can only come from truthful communication.

Communication is everything. Without trust it can never happen forcing us to build barriers that protect ourselves from one another. This is precisely the problem. He who has the "most" rules, when there is enough to go around. Once we stop hoarding and begin to share what the Earth has to offer, we, together will discover, all her resources. Us, being the most important one.

There is so much man can learn once he begins to communicate and for that to occur there must be "divine" communication, such as that communication "between wolves", so to speak. They don't have a problem. We are the ones with the problem.

As long as we are "concentrating" on defending ourselves from one another communication will always have hidden agendas that necessitate the need for guile, wit, strategy and manipulation as the smart overpower the weak that has always led to bloodshed. History is rift with it. We aren't fighting with slingshots anymore.

Einstein said and I am paraphrasing, unless we learn to cooperate rather than compete, the war after the next one will be fought with stones. Actually this is two of his thoughts combined.

We are a divine creation of the universe (God) and are meant to cooperate as one. as we share what the Earth offer's, even us and our individual gifts and talents along with our resources, new and established, so as to allow each and every individual the entitlement they deserve by simply being.

You are right, it is complicated and no one will ever reach those answers we are so desperately searching for. It will be the result of a group effort. That you can count on.

We will begin to communicate instinctively (divinely) as we put the pieces of the puzzle together, bringing a meaning to life of which we cannot even imagine. This will be that "heaven" we so often speak of. That is our reason for being. That is our destiny.

Together we will reach those answers that not only solve the problems that plague us, but also pave the way to a future that will insure tomorrow is better than today. Then we will really begin to hum.

Instinctively, that's what I think.

William

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by William

as long as we are not divinely communicating.

Explain what this means. Please.