The Human Instinct

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

Explain what this means. Please.

Divine communication is that communication uttered from one to another from a mind at peace. It has yet to be. In a mind that is riddle with fear, stress, worry and guilt all communication is guarded for self protection. It is the way things are. We "speak for ourself" in such a way that insures our survival. Divine comminication comes from a God consciousness in which we use our minds and the knowledge we have gathered throughout our existence in away the insures our compatibility as we cooperate together for the betterment of the whole. Now what that means, I haven't a clue. It is God guiding us and creating a synergy of the likes that cannot be imagined. It is an existence unknown to us because we are more interested in self than we are of others. It's a survival technique. This reality we have created forces us to think that way.

I know that is a quick answer and providing the reality in which fear can be eliminated is our first step. And to do that we have to eliminate the inequity in the world that is the cause of all the iniquity. Ever single bit of it.

William

[TickTockMan]

Just a couple more questions from the grumpy middle aged guy:

1) If God is guiding us, why do we need to do anything? Will not "His will"
be done regardless of our meddling or participation (or lack thereof)?

2) Are we all going to have to think alike, as "one mind" to have this divine communication, and to create this Utopian world?

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

Just a couple more questions from the grumpy middle aged guy:

1) If God is guiding us, why do we need to do anything? Will not "His will"
be done regardless of our meddling or participation (or lack thereof)?

2) Are we all going to have to think alike, as "one mind" to have this divine communication, and to create this Utopian world?

Of course not. Each and every person has there own experiences, knowledge, talents and gifts. Unfortunately few get the chance to utilize them because they do not align with what the status quo (society) needs for it's continuation. It is an ease of thinking as this God Consciousness aids you in accessing that you have stored in your mind. To access that consciously is impossible. There is entirely too much stored for that to happen. You will need help. I know. Been there, done that. Peace of mind is not easy to achieve, that is why it is imperative that we set the stage globally that will eliminate the fear, stress and worry that prohibits that divine connection. It is singularly possible, but it requires an enornous amount of faith, which means no fear and in this world it is hard to achieve such a state. The only thing you can do until this global effort succeeds is live in the moment and not, as best you can, allow the past and the future consciously enter that now reality. If you can manage this you will be amazed at how the mind will effortlessly bring what you need to know when you need it to your consciousness. It will blow you away. Just leave it alone it works really good by itself. Nothing works well under stress.

I hope this helped.

William

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by William

O It is an ease of thinking as this God Consciousness aids you in accessing that you have stored in your mind.

Another question . . .
If God Consciousness is required, where does the Atheist fit in?

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

Another question . . .
If God Consciousness is required, where does the Atheist fit in?

Good question. God is not about religion. He is about life. Religion is the problem in that there are too many interpretations. With a God consciousness there will be the need of none of them. We will be in a sense living that "meaning to life" that all religions are founded upon. Atheism must also adhere to this effort to establish that foundation that will establish peace of mind in all. It doesn't matter if one is Atheist, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu whatever, this enlightnment will eliminate those barriers that devide us. Any one or group that efforts to malign, subvert or corrupt it will be identified by their screams of protest. That will be the war, if there is one. The proverbial battle between good and evil.

William

[William]

Originally Posted by William

Good question. God is not about religion. He is about life. Religion is the problem in that there are too many interpretations. With a God consciousness there will be the need of none of them. We will be in a sense living that "meaning to life" that all religions are founded upon. Atheism must also adhere to this effort to establish that foundation that will establish peace of mind in all. It doesn't matter if one is Atheist, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Hindu whatever, this enlightnment will eliminate those barriers that devide us. Any one or group that efforts to malign, subvert or corrupt it will be identified by their screams of protest. That will be the war, if there is one. The proverbial battle between good and evil.

William

Furthermore let me say this. I want to so much believe no malice in man. In that I feel it is all hubris in that it is all we knew and knew no better. This is my sincere hope. I choose to believe that. Nevertheless if there is as the majority of man unites in this effort and we do begin to communicate divinely, that malicious evil will have no place to hide. I have no idea of what it is like to communicate with another of "God Consciousness" but I can only imagine what that will mean. It will be the uniting of man in ways that could possibly never be understood, It will be a life of unbelievable magnitude. Yet we will be as different as fingerprints as we learn from each other the true meaning of brotherhood. The races will eventually unite and then we will become Earthlings. This is only the beginning. Time to reel me back in. Ha.

William

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by William

That will be the war, if there is one. The proverbial battle between good and evil.

William

I'm enjoying your answers. Here's a few more questions:

Who decides what is good and what is evil?
What is good for one is, by general default, evil for another.

This cannot be lumped into the category of "Universal Good or Universal Truth," as this is entirely dependent on perspective.

If we can apply human emotions to animals for a moment . . .
How does the rabbit view the hawk diving toward it with its talons spread?

In human society, killing another human is generally considered evil. However, if that killing is committed for the purpose of preventing the person who is being killed from committing untold atrocities, could the killing be considered good? It would depend upon your point of view.

Even the Samurai, who were generally Buddhists and thereby theoretically opposed to killing, were able to justify this exception.

Let's further say only for the sake of this discussion (I'm not going to say one way or the other what I really believe as it is not relevant at this point), that I am an Atheist. Not only do I not believe in God, I don't believe in ANY type of god, gods, or supreme power of any sort. I believe that we are mere accidents, flukes, of a cosmos that has no beginning, no end, and no creator. Further, I resent those who tell me that I MUST adopt their beliefs, because I am preventing the development of a perfect God Conscious World.

Let's say (again, simply for the sake of this conversation only) I have no interest in "seeing the light," or being "saved," as I am utterly happy right where I am. As a bonus, I'm not going to try to convince anyone else to follow my path.

Am I evil?

If, as you say, I am "identified by my screams of protest," should I be killed because of my beliefs? Or, will the God Conscious people practice what they preach? I am willing to live and let live. Are they? Or is my mere existence an abomination? I think it says somewhere in the Bible that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

I'm honestly interested to hear your thoughts.

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p.s.
I think the last part of this excerpt might interest you. It's rated R, so my apologies if you find the language offensive in a spot or two: http://sparkwords.wordpress.com/2008...eptember-1993/

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

I'm enjoying your answers. Here's a few more questions:

1.>Who decides what is good and what is evil?
What is good for one is, by general default, evil for another.

This cannot be lumped into the category of "Universal Good or Universal Truth," as this is entirely dependent on perspective.

If we can apply human emotions to animals for a moment . . .
2.>How does the rabbit view the hawk diving toward it with its talons spread?

3.>In human society, killing another human is generally considered evil. However, if that killing is committed for the purpose of preventing the person who is being killed from committing untold atrocities, could the killing be considered good? It would depend upon your point of view.

Even the Samurai, who were generally Buddhists and thereby theoretically opposed to killing, were able to justify this exception.

4.>Let's further say only for the sake of this discussion (I'm not going to say one way or the other what I really believe as it is not relevant at this point), that I am an Atheist. Not only do I not believe in God, I don't believe in ANY type of god, gods, or supreme power of any sort. I believe that we are mere accidents, flukes, of a cosmos that has no beginning, no end, and no creator. Further, I resent those who tell me that I MUST adopt their beliefs, because I am preventing the development of a perfect God Conscious World.

Let's say (again, simply for the sake of this conversation only) I have no interest in "seeing the light," or being "saved," as I am utterly happy right where I am. As a bonus, I'm not going to try to convince anyone else to follow my path.

Am I evil?

If, as you say, I am "identified by my screams of protest," should I be killed because of my beliefs? Or, will the God Conscious people practice what they preach? I am willing to live and let live. Are they? Or is my mere existence an abomination? I think it says somewhere in the Bible that "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

I'm honestly interested to hear your thoughts.

-------
p.s.
I think the last part of this excerpt might interest you. It's rated R, so my apologies if you find the language offensive in a spot or two: http://sparkwords.wordpress.com/2008...eptember-1993/

1. Your question comes from a conditioning that keeps us from understanding either. "Who is to decide"? It will never be the decision of any one, but what we will learn from the many once we allow them to speak. Good is that from which all can, regardless of their lot in life, experience fulfillment and freedom in that state free of fear, worry, stress or guilt. In short, allowes to "live" and grow. The individual "decides what that is without being forced to think differently to satisfy the wants of another.

2. I never, ever go there. I am not an animal. I can assume to know, but to equate that behavior to justify man's will always be off limits to me by choice. It serves no purpose but to justify "animal like" behavior in man that is due to entirely different reasons.

3.> The mind "abused" is capable of justifying the most horrific atrocities. To kill one so afflicted is a necessary evil if we are unable to connumicate with that mind. In most cases all we can do is either eliminate it, chemically disable it, or lock it away from the reality that created it. In any case, none solve the problem. Death is the most vicious in that it is motivated by an evil itself, revenge, in and of itself, a human frailty.

The only solution is to eliminate the "abuse" that caused that mind to go "haywire". We will never no on an individual basis what that is, for the accused don't know themselves. They are also innocent victims who haven't a clue why they think the way they do. We "will" eliminate the abuse all together once we as human beings treat other human beings as human beings.

So to answer your question, the situation should have never existed. For we are all culpable in that we do not communicate as human beings. Once we do we will eliminate those reasons those minds went "haywire". Until we do, I'm afraid you ain't seen nothing yet as to what the mind of madness is capable of.

4. Don't take it personally. I am just like you. I cannot follow the dictates of others. But let me also state I am not a selfish person in any respect for I have realized he reward one gets from considering others before self. My happiness is not at the expense of others. I find joy in aiding others to find meaning to their lives as best I can in this reality. That gives me a joy that is hard to describe, in mine. A meaning that has nothing to do with egotistical attainments of self achievement. If I excel in any given endeavor, I feel it is imcumbent on me to aid others to excel in that same field. In that respect we all benefit as we perfect it together for all to benefit. The screams of protest will come from those whose "blind ambition" render's them unfeeling to those they have taken advantage of the attain their status in life. If you are of this ilk, then yes you are evil.

Man is not inherently selfish. He is force to be to survive in the reality we have created. It is time to change that reality. And if we do it right, no one should sacrifice. If you desire more than you merit, you "take" from another that what he needs to fulfill his life. This creates status, that creates selfishness, that forms the ego, that seeks power, that needs control, that justifies inequity that sustains that power, that creates animosity, envy, hate and bloodshed as a consequence of those you took from.

I said nothing about seeing the light or being saved. These are your words as you relate what I have to say to those religious interpretations. Please don't go there because you are at odds with those very interpretations. Hear the words themselve and debate on the merit of the words only, please. Thanks for you respectful comments.

William

[TickTockMan]

Outstanding, William. It's nice to see a well reasoned response to some slippery issues.

Originally Posted by William

4. Don't take it personally. I am just like you. I cannot follow the dictates of others. But let me also state I am not a selfish person in any respect for I have realized he reward one gets from considering others before self. My happiness is not at the expense of others. I find joy in aiding others to find meaning to their lives as best I can in this reality. That gives me a joy that is hard to describe, in mine. A meaning that has nothing to do with egotistical attainments of self achievement. If I excel in any given endeavor, I feel it is imcumbent on me to aid others to excel in that same field. In that respect we all benefit as we perfect it together for all to benefit. The screams of protest will come from those whose "blind ambition" render's them unfeeling to those they have taken advantage of the attain their status in life. If you are of this ilk, then yes you are evil.

I'm hearing some echoes of Buddhism here. Are you familiar with the Four Noble Truths and associated Buddhist teachings?

Respectfully,
Tock

[William]

Originally Posted by TickTockMan

Outstanding, William. It's nice to see a well reasoned response to some slippery issues.

I'm hearing some echoes of Buddhism here. Are you familiar with the Four Noble Truths and associated Buddhist teachings?

Respectfully,
Tock

Thank you for such a compliment. I am not a "fan" of any, for that, in my opinion, would bias my thinking. Yet, I feel by listening to them all we can arrive at a truth that will eliminate the need for any of them. I think my reasoning ascribes to all of them. I have heard much of the wisdom of the East and if you don't mind let me peruse it a little to see if I can gather what you feel are "echoes". I think I know before I do, but let me brush up if you don't mind. But feel free to offer your comments in the meantime.

Again thanks for such a generous compliment,

William