Distribution of Fear in Christianity

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Originally Posted by Icon

I have no doubt of this. But I also know that all things which begin must end. We have this nasty habit of nostalgia in the human race and seem to have a hard time letting go of things. Religion was great but it has out lived its usefulness.

Marriage and the family has been the basic univere of society for all human existance, so would you scrap that to? What do you think would be so wonderful about a demystified universe? I would be interested to hear your response.

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Who is to say that marriage is correct? In a society that is not conflicted by silly ideas like religion, faith, greed and mysticism we would easily work towards common goals. The goal of demystifying the universe. In a society like that, you have children because you need to. You love and you live and you learn and you achieve. Would that be so bad? Would it be so terrible to define your own reason for being? Would be so bad to define your own route through life? In that sort of society, everyone would take care of everyone because it would be good to do so. There would be no need for conflict or war or anyting of violent nature. You would be truly free to do as you wish without guidelines or rules or limits. Mankind would be able to achieve things not even possible in science fiction. Don't get me wrong, I know this will never happen because of mans inherent struggle to hold on to the past and his inherent struggle towards greed and power. But when you remove all that is to be powerful and all that is required to be greedy then you are left with only progression.

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Originally Posted by Icon

Who is to say that marriage is correct? In a society that is not conflicted by silly ideas like religion, faith, greed and mysticism we would easily work towards common goals. The goal of demystifying the universe. In a society like that, you have children because you need to. You love and you live and you learn and you achieve. Would that be so bad? Would it be so terrible to define your own reason for being? Would be so bad to define your own route through life? In that sort of society, everyone would take care of everyone because it would be good to do so. There would be no need for conflict or war or anyting of violent nature. You would be truly free to do as you wish without guidelines or rules or limits. Mankind would be able to achieve things not even possible in science fiction. Don't get me wrong, I know this will never happen because of mans inherent struggle to hold on to the past and his inherent struggle towards greed and power. But when you remove all that is to be powerful and all that is required to be greedy then you are left with only progression.

the view on marriage is a debate for another time. You haven't given me an answer on anything else. 'your own path', sure, but 1. people will take mystical paths and 2. what path is it that you suggest that is superior to what we have. Give an example.

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Originally Posted by avatar6v7

the view on marriage is a debate for another time. You haven't given me an answer on anything else. 'your own path', sure, but 1. people will take mystical paths and 2. what path is it that you suggest that is superior to what we have. Give an example.

Ok. Simple. Remove the monitary systems, remove lines of dominance, remove personal posession, remove housing and vehicles and jobs, remove government, remove religion, remove all things save knowledge. Start over again with nothing, from scratch. Build standard housing, public only transportation, research centers with materials, automated food processing plants, automated materials gathering for raw materials, automated salvage operations for turning the old world into the new. Provide tools, information, technology, open source information for everything. Allow the people to do whatever they want to do and achieve whatever they wish to achieve without prejudice, judgment or control.

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Originally Posted by Icon

Ok. Simple. Remove the monitary systems, remove lines of dominance, remove personal posession, remove housing and vehicles and jobs, remove government, remove religion, remove all things save knowledge. Start over again with nothing, from scratch. Build standard housing, public only transportation, research centers with materials, automated food processing plants, automated materials gathering for raw materials, automated salvage operations for turning the old world into the new. Provide tools, information, technology, open source information for everything. Allow the people to do whatever they want to do and achieve whatever they wish to achieve without prejudice, judgment or control.

you could just have said 'hell on earth' and left it at that.
seriously is that your vision for a perfect future? Why is it that all utopian visions are really dystopias for everyone else?
Also what is your defenition of 'information' do you include litreature? scripture? philosophy? unproven theories?

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Originally Posted by avatar6v7

you could just have said 'hell on earth' and left it at that.
seriously is that your vision for a perfect future? Why is it that all utopian visions are really dystopias for everyone else?
Also what is your defenition of 'information' do you include litreature? scripture? philosophy? unproven theories?

First of all, how is being able to do whatever you wish a dystopia?
Second, I mean ALL information. Peoples location, literature, unfinished theories, philosophy, scripture, unfinished design specs, invalid or disproven information, EVERYTHING. All information available for all people. A completely open society.

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Originally Posted by Icon

First of all, how is being able to do whatever you wish a dystopia?
Second, I mean ALL information. Peoples location, literature, unfinished theories, philosophy, scripture, unfinished design specs, invalid or disproven information, EVERYTHING. All information available for all people. A completely open society.

doing whatever you want is a form of hell. for instance a house has walls that restrict us- but restriction gives somthing shape. also that doesn't even cover other people having the ability to do what they like.
fair enough on the info. quick quesion- would you pull down all the buildings?

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Yes. Everything. Everything which reminds us of our past save for the information. no physical manifestations of the past. just information. We MUST know about the past to learn from it. But we must not be reminded of it or we might cling to it again.

I will counter your first comment with a question. What is the importance of giving something restrictions? Why is it so scary to consider all possibilities?

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Originally Posted by Icon

Yes. Everything. Everything which reminds us of our past save for the information. no physical manifestations of the past. just information. We MUST know about the past to learn from it. But we must not be reminded of it or we might cling to it again.

I will counter your first comment with a question. What is the importance of giving something restrictions? Why is it so scary to consider all possibilities?

First point- what about cathedrals, art, the pyramids- surely they are sources of inspiration and knowlage themselves? What is the advantage to be had from their absence?
secondly you are deciding that restrictions are bad without really attempting to understand why they are there, as chesterton put it-
'Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.'
wise man

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Originally Posted by avatar6v7

First point- what about cathedrals, art, the pyramids- surely they are sources of inspiration and knowlage themselves? What is the advantage to be had from their absence?
secondly you are deciding that restrictions are bad without really attempting to understand why they are there, as chesterton put it-
'Don't ever take a fence down until you know the reason it was put up.'
wise man

Always take the fence down but be ready to deal with the consequences.

I understand your point about the buildings. The question comes to how dangerous it is to let others have a chance to cling to it. This is not my choice and this is strictly hypothetical as this society could never happen.