Faith or Facts

[MITech]

What do you think?

Faith: Believing in god

or

Fact: Science
Quotes:
Faith means not wanting to know what is true. - Friedrich Nietzsche

Philosophy is questions that may never be answered. Religion is answers that may never be questioned.

Belief in the supernatural reflects a failure of the imagination. - Edward Abbey

The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike. - Delos B. McKown

What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - Christopher Hitchens

On the first day, man created God.( wow what a givaway for an atheist who wants to prove a theist wrong

So what do you think, do you believe in science or religion. It's not like faith and facts can be the same thing. If they can prove it to me.

[Holiday20310401]

I think that quotes will have a hard time convincing me that faith is more right than fact, or vice versa, if that's what you're trying to get at.

[Pangloss]

This article might be more useful than some quotations:

Nonoverlapping Magisteria

"The net of science covers the empirical universe: what is it made of (fact) and why does it work this way (theory). The net of religion extends over questions of moral meaning and value. These two magisteria do not overlap, nor do they encompass all inquiry (consider, for starters, the magisterium of art and the meaning of beauty). To cite the arch cliches, we get the age of rocks, and religion retains the rock of ages; we study how the heavens go, and they determine how to go to heaven."

[Binyamin Tsadik]

Facts and Faith do not necissarily need to be seperate.
One who has Faith based on Facts.
And there are many facts within Faith.

[urangutan]

MITech, it is easy enough to claim that through science something of faith is questionable but that is not proof that it isn,t true. Take evolution for example. I am a strong believer that Charles Darwin was correct for all the species of animals. Then with man I find discrepancies. Where is the missing link and stop looking for fossils, because if it doesn't exist in what is here now you cannot prove to me that it existed in the lives of other creatures. We are unique. I don't mean superior I mean different. Now if science proves that other beings on this planet are more unique than I have been taught to believe, then maybe I will question the Supreme Being idea with a little more scrutiny. To date, science is taking just as great a leap of faith as religion did in its past. Science is still filling the gaps with hypothesis of unfounded credibility.

[Ennui]

Faith and facts are the two opposing and hazardous negotiations.

The people who have faith and the people with facts would disdain each other.No one could come to a cease of this animosity.It depends on one's option of whether he/she might opt faith or facts.

[Khethil]

Random thoughts on this...

For some notions, I'd say, "I have faith"
For other notions, I believe they're based in fact.
Then again, I'd also say that there are many concepts where i have no faith nor facts.

If you have faith in something, by definition, such faith is, "... firm belief in something for which there is no proof". One says, "I believe!", another says, "I know" while dilbert stands in the corner with neither faith nor perceived knowledge.

... depending on our direction in this thread (read: semantics, support for ideas, opposition in theological systems, etc), there's a lot of ways to skin this cat.

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[Solace]

So what do you think, do you believe in science or religion. It's not like faith and facts can be the same thing. If they can prove it to me.

Maybe I'm just ignorant here, but can someone explain to me how science has anything to do with religion, or why if I practice one I cannot practice the other? You're right, fact cannot be faith, but why must anyone choose between the two? Are you saying that because I know the theory of relativity that I should not believe in God? This makes no sense to me.

[VideCorSpoon]

Because there was a time when religion and science were synonymous. What were the stars in the sky at one point but holes in the celestial spheres. How they moved depended on the will of an unmoved mover. Religion (the concept of God) is that term attributed to things that could not be explained. Now we think it is absurd, but back then it was an adequate answer.

You could practice faith and science, but you have to understand the limitations of both practices.

[TickTockMan]

Originally Posted by Solace

Maybe I'm just ignorant here, but can someone explain to me how science has anything to do with religion, or why if I practice one I cannot practice the other? You're right, fact cannot be faith, but why must anyone choose between the two? Are you saying that because I know the theory of relativity that I should not believe in God? This makes no sense to me.

You might find this an interesting read:
EINSTEIN AND GOD/CREATOR: AN ANALYSIS OF HIS BELIEFS/VIEWS ON GOD, RELIGION AND THE BIBLE