The idea that the Jews are God's chosen people?

[William]

Originally Posted by Binyamin Tsadik

I am a religious, Jewish, Physicist and plan on representing this identity here.

Welcome. I have no idea of what just happened in that I am fairly ignorant to the ways of the middle east. But I would like to ask a question I have had for sometime. In that I have, not that I know of, perhaps once, had a conversation with "a Jew". How do you deal with the idea or tenet of being "God's chosen" considering the bleak reality we find ourselves in. As it relates to the other human beings on this planet, where does that put the mind of the Jew. Do you mean to rule? Please forgive my ignorance. But I been dying to as a Jew this question. If this is the wrong section to ask such a question, could it be moved to another more appropriate spot.
Thanks,
Again, welcome
William

[Binyamin Tsadik]

I found this post by accident and I dont mean to offend you, but it is an ignorant question -- I am not saying you are Ignorant, I am just saying that the question itself is flawed. On the contrary, by asking, you are trying to remove Ignorance. Allow me to explain the flaw in the question.

Let me clarify, the word "Chosen" was translated from the word "Segulah"
"Segulah" does not mean Chosen.

The word Chosen implies that there existed several different Nations and The Limitless simply chose one of them.
The fact is that the actions of the limitless created the Nation. The Nation could have remained slaves and become assimilated into Egyptian culture and never have existed. The fact that the Nation was taken out of Egypt made it into a Nation. This is not because Israel had special merit. It is because of a Promise made to Abraham. The limitless promised to make Abraham's offspring into several nations.

Indeed the Nation of Ishmael, Rome, and Israel are 3 of these nations that came out of Abraham.

Now lets discuss the meaning of the word "Segulah"

"Segulah" has many different meanings. All of the meanings are applicable, but I will put forward one of these meanings that is most applicable.

This meaning is best described through an example.

You want to bring an electrical current from one place to another. You have a copper wire, and Iron wire, and a gold wire. Which wire is the best to use for this specific purpose? Gold is the best conductor. It is a lousy insulator. If you wanted to make a tea pot, gold would be a horrible metal to use because it would diffuse the heat. But for the purpose of the electrical current it is the best metal to use.
Now if there was no electricity, then it doesnt matter which metal you use, they are all equally useless. Gold doesnt cause the current, it only better allows the current to flow.

Thus a nation that is "Segulah" only better allows the Limitless to flow into the world when the Limitless so desires to enter.

About the Ruling of the world.
"God is King"
The task that the Nation of Israel was given, was to establish the Kingdom of God. Not through force. The kingdom is to be established by Israel itself and the rest of the world will simply benifit from the light.
The task of a Ruler is to serve his people.
Israel is supposed to provide the means for the Limitless to bestow of It's perfection on the world.

I can go into this much further but this reply should satisfy your question.

[de_budding]

Binyamin Tsadik,

I found this reply by accident and I don’t mean to offend you, but it is an ignorant reply- there is no God, ergo no 'Segulah' people. Furthermore your analogy, gold is the best metal if there is a conductor; presumably Jews are gold and conductor God, you believe in God, hence Jews are Gold and everyone else is iron and copper?

Dan.

[Binyamin Tsadik]

I thought it was obvious that this was a metaphor. I did not mean for the metaphor to be taken litterally because that is the definition of a Metaphor. Gold, in this case is a better conductor.. I also specified that it is the worst insulator.
If you would rather I will change the Metaphor to Silver, Iron, and Copper. Copper is the best conductor of the 3. It does not mean that Iron and Silver are useless, it just means that Copper is better for this specific purpose. It also does not mean that Jews are Copper! It is a metaphor!

But I did not intend to argue with anyone by posting here, I only wanted to clarify the common mistake that people make based on the mistranslation of the word "Segulah"

I will offer another metaphor to help you understand. The heart has a specific purpose in the body. The liver has another specific purpose. Both are necissary aspects for the body. But both have specific tasks. The Limitless did not say that Israel is the best organ in the body, it simply said that Israel is the best Organ to carry out a specific task. The fact that the Limitless chose Israel to accomplish this task means that in the infinite wisdom of the Limitless they were best suited for it. I dont know what nation you are a part of or what task your nation is best suited to. But if the Limitless told me that your nation was the nation that was best suited to Science, then if I wanted to learn science I would go to your nation to learn. Both aspects are needed in the world.

[William]

Originally Posted by Binyamin Tsadik

"God is King"
The task that the Nation of Israel was given, was to establish the Kingdom of God. Not through force. The kingdom is to be established by Israel itself and the rest of the world will simply benifit from the light.
The task of a Ruler is to serve his people.
Israel is supposed to provide the means for the Limitless to bestow of It's perfection on the world.

I can go into this much further but this reply should satisfy your question.

Thank you for your answer. The above is what I would like to address. As could be commonly understood by "gentile's" such as myself, chosen could be very well interpreted as "superior". Common perception is crucial, in my opinion. With all due respect let me offer my perception based on the knowledge I have gained, the wisdom I have been blessed with and the experiences that have occured in my life.

I look up to no man; and I don't look down at one either. I consider myself one with all. Your explanation was one of "superiority" in my perception. I think that "superior" nature of the Jew is a common perception held by many. I could be wrong.

There is no doubt as to the jewish intellect and their acute understanding of human nature and it's frailties. This intellect could be used for good or for evil. As you mentioned the task of the Jew to be the "conduit" in which to issue God's will, considering the current status of the world, where are Jew's failing? It seems God's will is not getting out. It seems to me the Jew's are not talking. Yes they talk to other Jew's, but as far as the rest of mankind, they are mute. Please, again forgive my ignorance, this is my perception.

It is odd that you used "gold" in your analogy as a "conductor" in which God's will, will flow. Now I could be wrong but it is my understanding the Jew has most or is in control of most of the Gold. Please, if I am wrong, do no hesitate to correct me. Perhaps it is "gold" itself that will allow the Jew to "conduct" the world. For by your own words, your "task.

As it could be assumed a people with such a clear understanding of human nature and it's frailties could "entrap" man and cater to his weaknesses, such as "life" itself to ensure his ruin. Of course in this case, "economic ruin". Thereby leaving control to those who have the gold. In this respect, I conclude that task "evil". Big Time!

Please, your comments.
Thank you,

William

[SummyF]

Originally Posted by William

Welcome. I have no idea of what just happened in that I am fairly ignorant to the ways of the middle east. But I would like to ask a question I have had for sometime. In that I have, not that I know of, perhaps once, had a conversation with "a Jew". How do you deal with the idea or tenet of being "God's chosen" considering the bleak reality we find ourselves in. As it relates to the other human beings on this planet, where does that put the mind of the Jew. Do you mean to rule? Please forgive my ignorance. But I been dying to as a Jew this question. If this is the wrong section to ask such a question, could it be moved to another more appropriate spot.
Thanks,
Again, welcome
William

Dude first thing i said was about zionism and the Kahanists in here called me an anti semit

with that said


The kaballah does refer to jewish world dominance, and the jewish dictionary does say that jews are above the subhuman species (gentile)

And if this comment above is attacked?

i ask why does the right wing jews (not the shahs orthodox) want more land, and supress the palestinans ?

why did kahana talk about moving the inferior gentile out of the god given land of the old tribe of israel?

there is also i difference in the perspective of the sephardic and ashkenazim, about superiority

Hasidic jews are a lot different than the Joseph Liebrman jew

[William]

Originally Posted by SummyF

Dude first thing i said was about zionism and the Kahanists in here called me an anti semit

with that said


The kaballah does refer to jewish world dominance, and the jewish dictionary does say that jews are above the subhuman species (gentile)

And if this comment above is attacked?

i ask why does the right wing jews (not the shahs orthodox) want more land, and supress the palestinans ?

why did kahana talk about moving the inferior gentile out of the god given land of the old tribe of israel?

Summy,

This thread has gotten a little confusing. I messed up when I inappropriately "drilled" Binyamin in his "welcome thread" of which I apologize and the moderators move it and started this thread. That's all well and good and I greatly appreciate Bin's finding it and graciously responding to it. Summy, it seems you are at odd's with "something" Binyamin had to say of which I have no clue as I do not understand what you are speaking about. Frankly, it has me a little confused as to who you are talking to. In other words, I have no idea of how to respond. Sorry. Oh, and by the way, my name is William. Thanks

William

[SummyF]

you were talking about the jewish perspective of the "chosen people" and the easiest proof to see is in the kabballah (jewish mysticism) , which many of the ashkenazim(european zionist jews) adhere to

plus the current situation in israel we can see how jews treat Palestinians (gentiles)

gaza and west bank is a ghetto (similar to the ones that were in europe)

many people would say that i am a neo-nazi for saying that because in american society the jewish question/zionist question should not be talked about

my waring to you is
be careful when you speak of Judaism, Zionism, Israel, or the history of the jews

a suggestion is
address jews in any piece of writing you must say things like
King Ariel Sharon
I pledge allegiance to the godly chosen people of israel
if you can say things like "divine" in stead of jews

A book called "israel lobby" got published and the zionist all over the media including npr and air america avoided it or condemned it

everything is fair gam

but not jews

so becareful

[William]

Originally Posted by SummyF

you were talking about the jewish perspective of the "chosen people" and the easiest proof to see is in the kabballah (jewish mysticism) , which many of the ashkenazim(european zionist jews) adhere to

plus the current situation in israel we can see how jews treat Palestinians (gentiles)

gaza and west bank is a ghetto (similar to the ones that were in europe)

many people would say that i am a neo-nazi for saying that because in american society the jewish question/zionist question should not be talked about

my waring to you is
be careful when you speak of Judaism, Zionism, Israel, or the history of the jews

a suggestion is
address jews in any piece of writing you must say things like
King Ariel Sharon
I pledge allegiance to the godly chosen people of israel
if you can say things like "divine" in stead of jews

A book called "israel lobby" got published and the zionist all over the media including npr and air america avoided it or condemned it

everything is fair gam

but not jews

so becareful

Thank you Summy for your concern. I appreciate it. But, you see God and I are pretty good friends. He's been with me every step of the way. As a matter of a fact, I never know who is talking, me or Him. It gets interesting some time as I look at what I have stated and I think to myself, "Did I say that", Ha Ha. It blows me away. It is amazing what the mind can do in it's pure state. Of course it took me 30 years to clear out the cob webs so I could get a clear channel to my Buddy. I am not in the least bit worried, but thank you for caring. I know what I have just said may be a little hard to believe and I can't explain it. I just let my words speak for themselves. Sometimes I don't even understand them myself. HaHa.

Later, My Friend,

William

[SummyF]

Originally Posted by William

Thank you Summy for your concern. I appreciate it. But, you see God and I are pretty good friends. He's been with me every step of the way. As a matter of a fact, I never know who is talking, me or Him. It gets interesting some time as I look at what I have stated and I think to myself, "Did I say that", Ha Ha. It blows me away. It is amazing what the mind can do in it's pure state. Of course it took me 30 years to clear out the cob webs so I could get a clear channel to my Buddy. I am not in the least bit worried, but thank you for caring. I know what I have just said may be a little hard to believe and I can't explain it. I just let my words speak for themselves. Sometimes I don't even understand them myself. HaHa.

Later, My Friend,

William

Dont get me wrong i hate zionists

and judaism is the most racist religon


but you know its the zionist controlled world we live in