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what does belief mean

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break it down
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Re: what does belief mean

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When I believe a statement, don't I accept it as true?
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Re: what does belief mean

Many words have different meanings in different contexts. Essentially, I think kennethamy is right on.
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Re: what does belief mean

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Believe:

1. To have confidence or faith in (a person), and consequently to rely upon, trust to.
a. To believe in a person (also in Scripture in, or on, his name). [Cf. late L. credere in aliquem.]
b. To believe in a thing, e.g. the truth of a statement or doctrine; also in mod. usage, in the genuineness, virtue, or efficacy of a principle, institution, or practice.
c. Formerly with of = on, in.
d. absol. To exercise faith.
2. To give credence to (a person, or his statement); to trust (from L. credere alicui). Obs. Replaced by 5, 6.
3. ellipt. To believe in (a person or thing), i.e. in its actual existence or occurrence.
4. To trust, expect, think to do (something). Obs. Cf. BELIEF 5.
5. To give credence to (a person in making statements, etc.). Object orig. dat.: cf. 2. Phrases. I believe you, an expression of emphatic agreement; believe (you) me, phr. strengthening an assertion.
6. a. To give credence to, to accept (a statement) as true [cf. L. credere aliquid]. Also in colloq. phrases strengthening an assertion, as believe it or not, would you believe it? (see WILL v.1 43), you'd better believe (see BETTER a. 4b).
b. To accept (a thing) as authentic. Obs.
7. With clause or equivalent inf. phrase: To hold it as true that..., to be of opinion, think.
8. To hold as true the existence of. Obs. (Now expressed by 3.)

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Re: what does belief mean

"I believe the sun will rise tomorrow"
"I believe that Chicago is north of St.Louis"
"I believe that the Bible is the word of god"
"I believe the Cubs will win the pennant"

We use the same word, but really mean entirely different things in each example. Perhaps it would be best to avoid its use entirely in this discussion. Perhaps we could distinguish between belief and knowledge as a beginning.
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Re: what does belief mean

Let's see if I can conjure up a working definition:

Belief is adherence to an idea or principle when there is insufficient support for an individual to call it 'knowledge'.

How's that?
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Re: what does belief mean

Belief replaced the original west Germanic expression geleafa derived from galaub, meaning “dear, esteemed” cir. 1175 B.C.E. The ultimate derivation was, “from that to believe.” This in turn developed in the 15th century from belief which meant “trust in God.” At this time, the term paralleled faith, which meant “loyalty to a person based on promise or duty” which originally had no notion of divinity until the beginning of the 14th century.

But faith (latin. Fides) took on a religious sense in the 14th century when scriptural translations began to influence the context of the word. Belief on the other hand had by the 16th century become limited to “mental acceptance of something as true” from the religious sense of “things held to be true as a matter of religious doctrine.”

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Re: what does belief mean

do you mean to beleive something or to beleive in something, because theres a difference there
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Re: what does belief mean

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"I believe the sun will rise tomorrow"
"I believe that Chicago is north of St.Louis"
"I believe that the Bible is the word of god"
"I believe the Cubs will win the pennant"

We use the same word, but really mean entirely different things in each example. Perhaps it would be best to avoid its use entirely in this discussion. Perhaps we could distinguish between belief and knowledge as a beginning.
the first example is probability, the second is knowlege, the third is faith and the fourth is trust or "to put your faith in" something, non religiously, or maybe actually it is religiously, some sports fans actually go that far.

beleif also gets mixed up with truth and lies. "i beleived your lie" for example. so it has many uses, and i wish the original poster wasn't so bleak in starting off this discussion.
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Re: what does belief mean

Our meditation about the meaning of belief has now depended. We have made, if I am correct, several important distinctions:

Belief/Knowledge
Belief/ Belief (in)
Belief/Faith

These may help in the discussion of the original question, "When I believe a statement, don't I accept it as true?"
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