When will it ever be time for the human race to move on without the existence of god?

[Didymos Thomas]

And the Bible isn't just one sort of literature. We find creation stories, moral tales, historical legend (like the Iliad)...

Objections to the Bible based on history or science miss the point of the text. I cannot think of one book in the Bible which would be appropriately criticized by history or science.

We can criticize the Bible - that's easy enough. But the criticisms need to come from a spiritual perspective as the texts are scripture.

[paulhanke]

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

We can criticize the Bible - that's easy enough. But the criticisms need to come from a spiritual perspective as the texts are scripture.

... okay, sounds good ... so it's just the interpreters of the Bible that should be criticized from a historical and/or scientific standpoint? (for example, when a Biblical interpreter starts making assertions regarding the historical accuracy of the Bible and/or assertions that certain scientific theories are wrong based upon contradictory passages in the Bible) ...

[Didymos Thomas]

Oh yes - absolutely! When we find people insisting upon literal interpretations of the Bible, correct them. Which is easy enough.

[No0ne]

Originally Posted by Didymos Thomas

Oh yes - absolutely! When we find people insisting upon literal interpretations of the Bible, correct them. Which is easy enough.

All interpretation's are people's perception of what they mean...

The problem is that "god's" perception is lost, because man has used man's own.

Sadly perception is normaly lost in translation.

Also it dosnt help that anyone using the Holy Bible to preach or teach, they pick and choose, just like a butcher pick's the best meat to sell to everyone els, hence people dont read the Holy Bible like a book, they all got there spot's in it where they quote. (hence searching for the best quote for the task that you have at hand.)

People support such transaltion's and added perception's of what was ment even literal interpretation's, due to the fact they say the revulation's have come from "god".

Na really?

(Also for the human race to move on, everone would have to stop talking to that voice in there head)

(If anyone speak's to some voice's in your head that are not your's, ask them to tell you somthing you dont know)

(Example, I have never been down that street, nor have I seen anything on that street, what is one of there addresses and color of there carpet?)

I'm sure, such a "god" would answer if you asked with humble and pure intent, for if such would tell you the answer, how much more greatly would you devote your self and thought's to such a "god", well that "god" would know you would do such so greatly, so that would be a "Good" reason why such a "god" would tell you, but then what would be a reason why such would not?

[de Silentio]

Originally Posted by socrato

Life was formed by a "protein formula" involving simple chemicals like oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and ammonia. It also involves the sun and lightning. These chemicals create amino acids which are the basic structures of life. Eventually tiny organisms are formed and evolve over time to create big animals like humans.

That's a nice theory. But remember, it's only a theory. However, it does seem like the most plausible theory to date.

In any case, I don't think the creation of life as you outlined it negates the existence of a God.

[Didymos Thomas]

All interpretation's are people's perception of what they mean...

So what? We can still discuss these interpretations - we can even discuss a particular approach to the text, like a literal interpretation.

The problem is that "god's" perception is lost, because man has used man's own.

What is this "God's perception"? How could a book, written by men, be 'God's perspective'? If someone can answer that question, then we can move onto this idea that God has a perspective and other tendencies to anthropomorphize God.

Also it dosnt help that anyone using the Holy Bible to preach or teach, they pick and choose, just like a butcher pick's the best meat to sell to everyone els, hence people dont read the Holy Bible like a book, they all got there spot's in it where they quote. (hence searching for the best quote for the task that you have at hand.)

I'm sure some do exactly what you describe - but so what? Luckily, we are capable of actually reading and studying the text.

[astrotheological]

Originally Posted by socrato

The idea of a god or gods was definitely a clever invention. In fact it could be said that it is the best invention made if you consider it to be an invention. Look at what the idea of god has lead to today. People today have been influenced by the morals and commandments from religions in order to do good and not to do bad. Without that society would not be able to function the way it can today.

Society has continued to advance in technology, work together in helping the poor, share resources with other countries and much more.

Although when you look at the downsides of these beliefs don't you think that it is time for the world to move on without their religious beliefs. I'm not talking about discontinuing the morals and commandments that has allowed our society to function as it is. I'm talking about looking at things logically and scientifically and not religiously and spiritually(involving the almighty power of god to help answer the unkown). For example, when someone says that god created life, the earth, and the sun obviously that cannot be true because there are scientific reasons as to how they were created.

Life was formed by a "protein formula" involving simple chemicals like oxygen, carbon, nitrogen, hydrogen, and ammonia. It also involves the sun and lightning. These chemicals create amino acids which are the basic structures of life. Eventually tiny organisms are formed and evolve over time to create big animals like humans.

Also an issue that has lasted for centuries is the fight for the control over gods chosen land.(Jerusalem) The Christians, Jews, and Islams should not have to be reminded that god wouldn't have wanted them to fight and cause a war in the first place.

I also believe that it is time for the human race to move on because if we have to use god as an excuse to make us follow the ten commandments then in the eyes of god we are still children. Its time that humans grow up and end all of this war.

[Holiday20310401]

I believe we are helpless to grow up.

... Ok that was rather blunt but it gets the idea across.

[astrotheological]

Originally Posted by Holiday20310401

:emoticon for throwing up:

I believe we are helpless to grow up.

... Ok that was rather blunt but it gets the idea across.

Yah I agree that it is almost impossible for humans to grow up. They will always need spiritual guidance and religious beliefs to make them do what is good for all humans.

[astrotheological]

Besides religion will never stop because it takes in billions of dollars. You know its amazing how gullable humans are. No offence.