How can God not exist

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by No0ne

All thing's at one point have allway's not existed untill someone make's them exist, hence that would be the "so called undefined start"

The problem finding when that start was, or what person had started all the end's and other start's made from the first... it seem like even if it could be thought of... it could not be physicaly proven... only word's could..

I'm glad you see my logic some mysteries will always exist I suppose. You agree something had to start it?

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

I have a question are you mentally deficient ??? the guy above this post got my point

Why is time necessarily linear, other than the fact we have always experienced as so?

Why would the linear nature of time imply that it has a creator? Certainly the creation of time is not bound by the laws of time, no matter how it came about.

You have not made an argument to support your statement.

[nameless]

How can God not exist?

Simple;
Existence is Contextual/Definitional; dualistic.
By definition, 'god' is not 'Contextual' or 'defined' (non-dual, 'One').
Existence is the 'created', not the 'Creator'.
Therefore, 'god' cannot exist.

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fight the Power

Why is time necessarily linear, other than the fact we have always experienced as so?

Why would the linear nature of time imply that it has a creator? Certainly the creation of time is not bound by the laws of time, no matter how it came about.

You have not made an argument to support your statement.

You are willfully ignorant of my argument as for time and it being it not being linear it has to be other wise it would be possible to travel back in time which is impossible proven by theory of relativity and your second point is why it had to be created LOL

Originally Posted by nameless

Simple;
Existence is Contextual/Definitional; dualistic.
By definition, 'god' is not 'Contextual' or 'defined' (non-dual, 'One').
Existence is the 'created', not the 'Creator'.
Therefore, 'god' cannot exist.

this only proves god is different than what he created unless your assuming god had to be created which isn't necessarily true

[nameless]

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

this only proves god is different than what he created unless your assuming god had to be created which isn't necessarily true

Yes, it shows that 'god' cannot exist, in response to the question, "How can god NOT exist?".

[de_budding]

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

well with point number one it explains everything but one thing how did god start? So it solves a lot obviously you can't just make something to explain that is why i stated the reason. Time cannot have been created within a system of only itself that is the argument

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

and for point 2 my argument deals with time not cycles of big bangs and crunches explained in a oscillatory system as far as time goes it is linear, it also it always making progress forward so either time always existed or was made ( go figure isn't it that way with everything) The very nature of time points to a creator without a start any point in time is the same as all the others that means time wouldn't be linear.... but it is

In response to one: How did God start? Well in my opinion with a simple question. Existentially, something along the lines of- 'what should I do next?’ But there is also the raw human will to own and control. Such as inventing an entity which puts the human race at the centre of the universe; remember being taught about the resistance that people showed when it was theorized that the earth moved around the sun, as opposed the Earth being at the centre of all local orbit? This kind of thinking is related to less inquisitive and lazy thinking. Something along the lines of 'What was that?' a lack of control of the environment is presented and you would react with an answer like... "O' that was Atlas flexing his shoulders, he gets tired holding up the sky." The rest of your response doesn’t seem relevant to my point of God being in your own image as a defense against that which you can't control (predict, understand, fathom... whatever.)

In response to two: Please go on then. If time so blatantly indicates the existence of something to generate it-- [1] the existence of A = the existence of B-- then it follows that the existence of B = the existence of C and so on ad infinitum. And could not a cycle of big bangs (a cycle of the creations of time and space) indicate a cycle of the recreation of the start point of time? Also this is one example, please feel free to delve into the many models that exist to excuse infinite timelines... not that a finite time line indicates a God... refer to [1]

Also you did not attempt to address the idea that the creator concept (especially in a Christian context [which I assume this is]) can be disbanded by taking a look at the ridiculous explanation ratio. Let me elaborate for you though...

The existence of the Christian God explains a few things... How the earth was created, why we are here and how we should live our lives. But in the explaining of these three things it refuses to address the 1'000's maybe 10's of 1000’s of assumptions made... a sacrifice of truth- ironic as that is a Christian value held close to heart. Things assumed are...
that angels exist, that Jesus was reborn from death, the existence of Mary, the existence of God himself, the possibility of such a being, that humans could know, that the Bible can be trusted... and so on. Where as Darwin’s theory assumes one things, a common ancestor but, explains 10s of 1000s of questions.
So creation via God= 3/1000's (Q’s answered/things assumed)-- compared to a real theory like Darwin’s-- 1000's/1. That was more what I was poking at. If you can explain why we should listen to the reasoning you offer under such circumstances, then I'm sure I would be more willing to listen... and this is not a faith issue, this is a sense issue to be dealt with in apparent reality; and your answer (God) seems so arbitrary in this context that I find it hard to take you seriously.

Dan.

[Mr. Fight the Power]

Originally Posted by OntheWindowStand

You are willfully ignorant of my argument as for time and it being it not being linear it has to be other wise it would be possible to travel back in time which is impossible proven by theory of relativity and your second point is why it had to be created LOL

How you can try to use relativity to support an opinion that seems to hold that time is both linear and absolute is perplexing.

I am done.

[Theaetetus]

God exists in the minds on humans so I guess you could say he exists as a concept. Other than that there is absolutely no evidence for God. The universe evolves which is a property of living things. Living things cannot be created. Therefore, the universe is living and cannot have a creator.

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by Mr. Fight the Power

How you can try to use relativity to support an opinion that seems to hold that time is both linear and absolute is perplexing.

I am done.

It is linear in that you can only move forward it is relative because you can slow down how fast you move forward is that perplexing

I am done.

[OntheWindowStand]

Originally Posted by Theaetetus

God exists in the minds on humans so I guess you could say he exists as a concept. Other than that there is absolutely no evidence for God. The universe evolves which is a property of living things. Living things cannot be created. Therefore, the universe is living and cannot have a creator.

nothing has shown to evolve only change species adapt but never changes specie lines you are using beliefs as a way to make laws of reality nothing indicates evolution