question bible philosophy

[cut2thepoint]

Would you say the bible is a philosophy or truth? just interested what sort of answers people will give.

[Justin]

Hmm... good question. For me, the Bible holds in it much history. However, it's been changed through translations over thousands of years.

As far as truth, I feel that there is truth in it and there is a message in it and it came from one man, Jesus. I personally feel that Jesus is the most important part of this historical Bible. The truth were in his actions and the truth was spoken as he was crucified on the cross, "Forgive them for they know not what they do". That to me is one of the biggest statements every made throughout history and the meaning behind it is Love. So truth, yes I believe there is truth in the message of Jesus. It just may be that the second coming of Christ is going to be the resurrection of Christ within our own consciousness.

Good question. This thread could go on for years!

[tMeeker]

Keep in mind, what I'm about to say is my opinion, and my beliefs.

The Bible is not philosophy, it is not just some book cast amidst the endless array and piles of religious manuscripts. There are so many religions and beliefs out there, all of which claim that they alone are the one and only way to Heaven. For someone who is looking for which direction to proceed, who is to really know what religion is right? How does one define what Truth really is? How does one point another into the right direction........the right direction where the one and only true faith exists?

Christianity is the only religion where you cannot work your way to Heaven. It is the only faith where one cannot rely on his or her actions, but instead must believe and trust, but most importantly have faith. In my belief..........the Bible is TRUTH. It is the TRUTH. It is the only absolute TRUTH.....it is the answer, the divine understanding, the essence and design of everything. But even more, Jesus Christ is Truth: John 14:6, "Jesus said, I am the way, the truth, and the life, no one can come to the Father except through Me."

But now one could ask the question how can you believe that the Bible is Truth, and that Jesus is Truth? After all, the Bible is the one who tells you that and how can a book or manuscript justify itself? It must have a secondary source to prove its authenticity. In truth, I simply belive, you simply must have faith, you simply must trust God that His words are truth. I would rather spend a lifetime pursuing God, and inherting eternal life in the end, than rejecting God, and spending eternity in darkness.

I know that Jesus Christ was who He claimed to be, He is Truth. He is the answer to everything.....and for everyone who is a skeptic and "christian" hater out there, everyone who hates people like me for what they believe........who do you think is giving you that passion to hate me? Your own self? Or Satan?

[Justin]

Welcome back Tmeeker! I do want to respond to this in depth but I have to step away for a bit.

I have however posted something in regards to Christianity in this Thread. First one must define what Christianity is... I mean, George Bush calls himself a Christian and so did this Christian leader (Rev. Ted Haggard). Are these Christians?

What is a Christian?

[cut2thepoint]

Im sure we all want the truth tmeeker. But who said anything about hate against christians? all faiths have been deemed satanic normaly by each other. Would you argue bush is a christian? maybe you should read another thread I wrote earlier: islam faith,truth, or mind control. During the crusades the same people charging there army towards saladins muslim army were "christians" and did it under the banner of god and thought it rightious! I do not deny jesus was who he said he was, or argue in favour for it. Im just saying we should question what we believe. Bible philosophy or truth or just blind faith will we ever get to the bottom of it?

[tMeeker]

Oh I completely agree with you. One must question another's faith and religion. For if one does not, who is to decide who is right and who is wrong? I'm sorry if I came off a little strong with people holding most of their views as "anti-christian", let's just say most of the people I've debated on the internet about christianity, have all really had that mindset. Anyway, I truly agree, questioning one's faith is needed, afterall you have to make sure your on the right path. But once again, I know that Christianity is the one and only way to Heaven. And although this may seem narrow-minded, I fully believe someone has to make a stand, and hold to their beliefs. In response to your question, I do believe President Bush is a Christian. He has repeatedly said it, and is a firm beliver in Jesus Christ. I am one of the few remaining Americans who still support him, and I am grateful for his faith.

Once again you are right, killing hundreds of muslims in the Crusades was not a "Christian" path to take. However, one has to ask the question: What if the so-called Christian believers who commited these murders of muslims, were not actually Christians at all? I mean look at the world today, there are hundreds of so-called Christian believers who are giving Christianity a really bad hypocritical name. And because of this, people are skeptical and bitter towards Christians. But don't automatically sterotype the entire faith of Christianity just because there are a few "false" and bad seeds within it.

[cut2thepoint]

If you look at history, there was many many who fought for a so called godly cause. Oliver cromwell of england is one that comes to mind, But I will argue one point, not once does jesus say preach the word of god through slaughter. Should christians think this no matter what situation there are in in ; what would jesus do? Im sure if many of them thought along the same line maybe they would act more in line with what the bible preaches. And maybe im wrong here but dosnt the bible speak about the people who like to stand and confess they are holy but inside they are like wolves or something like that. Im sure the bible speaks about actions being stronger than words too. And also those who like to do good works to be seen by others rather than to serve god.

Ive heard it said that bush claims to be a christian to get a large amount of votes and somehow make the war in Iraq a holy cause using biblical speech.

Please dont get me wrong here I back brittish and american troops 100% And ill tell you one thing about the brittish army, Its history in millitary victories is outstanding, and indeed no country on earth can claim what victories we have won against outstanding odds or have the centries of conflict for experience. My point is If we go to war please do not go under the banner of god. As Im sure the bible to, you the word of god is 100% against it? and if he is alive so would jesus be. As he said: you will know them by there fruits .

[pilgrimshost]

Just a brief post for now, CUT2THEPOINT, I agree with both your statments of what the bible says ,though, and you suggested it might be, your scriptures are a bit muddled. I understood what you ment, never the less. Also the British army is the bar and example that every other millitary in the world aspires to. But, Id have to disagree with tmeeker and anybody else about the 'Bush is a Christian' thing. No He is not! For a quick explanation, either refer to my post on 'What is a Christian' or alternativly, read your Bible

[cut2thepoint]

Well I did write maybe I'm wrong before I made any quote from the bible.I Wish you would read whats being said closley. Anyway would you say it is a philosophy pilgrimshost? As you say you used to believe in other threads or something along that line.

According to tmeeker and the holy bible you might be going to hell if you have lost your faith? are you worried?

[pilgrimshost]

I know you wrote that it maybe wrong , as I commented on it. We always hit stumbling blocks, why?

Ill keep it short. If its 100% truth then its beyond all things and outside 'mere' philosophy because it would be a part of a superior 'reality' rather than our created one. But if it is false then I wonder how it being a philosophy fits the gap. Am I right in saying that a philosophy is 'a way of thinking' as such, then it would not be a philosophy (just of the top of my head, not saying its stone cold fact) because Christianity relies 100% on the Crusifiction and Reserection of Christ, nothing less!

But on the otherhand (a glimpse into why I stopped believing), the Greeks philosophised, didnt they? and Paul (Saul) spent alot of time discussing with them, didnt he?..hint,hint